[ubuntu-studio-devel] Default search engine

lukefromdc at hushmail.com lukefromdc at hushmail.com
Sun Sep 15 00:23:55 UTC 2013

Google's logging of IP addresses gives them a searchable list of all searches from
anyone using a static IP address, or a string of IP addresses forwarded by law
enforcement. The static IP info can be sold to marketers, dynamic IP info will be
available anytime an ISP cooperates or law enforcement gets a warrant (etc).

When someone uses Startpage with HTTPS, Google has the search string but not the
IP addresses. The user's ISP and anyone watching them get the IP address but not the
search string. Even if the NSA has a backdoor into the SSL varient used, to get a warrant
and use the search strings in court would require the NSA to show up in court and expose
the back door.

Therefore, when using Startpage, Google has only the strings, anyone else only the IP 
addresses, meaning NOBODY has the ability to search search strings by IP address and
then sell it to a marketer or talk about it in court.

On 09/14/2013 at 5:23 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 2013-09-14 at 16:39 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
>> lets try and keep this separated out and clear. moving away from
>> google is just that, moving away from google. it has nothing to 
>> with the NSA alleged "spying".
>> i personally wouldn't mind a nag at first search with factual 
>> and a prompt to choose a preferred search provider.
>That's a good idea, but assumed it's not easy to provide, pro
>https://startpage.com/ by Ixquick is speaking, that it does use 
>but claims to adds privacy and it's default family filter is a 
>annoyance that comes with the advantage, that it's family 
>friendly. I
>got very good results when using Start Page with family filter 
>the only drawback are ads, but who cares, since those are the same 
>that Google does list.
>Results are more or less the same as for a Google search, but while
>Google collects private data, Start Page prevents against the data
>collecting and while Google's default does search for sex and 
>it's filtered for Start Page's default settings.
>Google and all other famous search engines offend privacy, the only
>engines I know, that pretend to respect privacy, are Duck Duck Go 
>Ixquick, but a Linux newbie is screwed when using those engines to 
>a Linux issue. Google, resp. Start Page provide much better hits.
>I wonder that Google always is the default, IMO it doesn't fit 
>that good
>to GNU, that's why I ask to replace Google by Start Page.
>For those who fear the NSA, regarding to protection against 
>agencies or criminals, I've got doubts that Start Page is much more
>secure and even while Start Page does claim
>"The IP address that is associated with your search will NOT be
>recorded", "We don't collect any personal information on our 
>etc. it does benefit from Google, a company that does collect all 
>data, so ethically it still might be shady to use Start page 
>instead of
>Google, but IMO Start Page is the successor of Scroogle, whereas
>Scroogle never worked that good as Start Page does.
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