LMMS

[Eric Hedekar]

On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Eric Hedekar <afterthebeep at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Kaj Ailomaa <zequence at mousike.me> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 00:16:34 +0200, Len Ovens <len at ovenwerks.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, October 14, 2012 2:44 pm, ttoine wrote:
>>>
>>>> Eric,
>>>>
>>>> But is there a "fully open and free software" that can used instead of
>>>> LMMS ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think the licensing issues are wine related. The fonts in particular
>>> But
>>> they are not depends so we may be able to just not install them and still
>>> run LMMS. But, the amd64 version of LMMS does not have VST support (or
>>> need wine) so we would be supporting two different versions, a full 32
>>> bit
>>> and a less full 64bit. Anyone trying to help someone with LMMS who has
>>> the
>>> 32 bit version would frustrate the 64bit user. (the kxstudio versions
>>> have
>>> the same problem BTW) I am beginning to understand why LMMS has not been
>>> included in the distro...
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I haven't heard anyone else but you talk about these issues, so I'm not
>> hearing any evidence that this would be the case.
>> VST support on Linux, with wine, is somewhat an extra addition, which
>> requries it's own knowledgebase. It's not a requirement in any way.
>> I don't see why this has to have any weight at all in deciding whether or
>> not to add an open source Linux program to the default set of Ubuntu Studio
>> applications.
>>
>> As to the lack of info on Linux+VST in Ubuntu Studio docs, this could be
>> ammended by writing some. Or, pointing with links to docs that deals with
>> it.
>>
>>
>>
> Kaj,
> The LMMS package in Ubuntu is built upon the wine libraries in the
> universe repository (this is done to allow VST support out of the box
> without advanced re-compiling).  In order for the LMMS binary to run in
> Ubuntu a wine package needs to be installed.  The wine package recommends
> fonts that require the user's manual acceptance for install.  By default
> the apt-get program automatically installs all 'recommends' packages.  So
> there are two possible routes for us to possibly include LMMS in Ubuntu
> Studio:
> 1) Write some install code that prevents apt-get from installing the
> recommends for wine (this would give users a poor wine experience on their
> machines, but it's possible to get their approval later on to install these
> recommends to fix the wine experience but that'd require more script
> writing).
> 2) Recompile the LMMS binary in Ubuntu so that VST support is no longer
> working.  This is a flawed logic option IMHO as one of the main things LMMS
> claims is to be a fruity-loops substitute.  For new users to Linux, having
> the option of either a non-VST version of LMMS pre-installed or a
> functioning VST version of LMMS that is manually installed, the later is
> probably much more preferable.  Not everyone needs VST but some do, and
> deactivating this feature of the program for all Ubuntu users just so the
> program can legally be included by default in our distro seems quite silly
> and counter productive to our distro's goals.
>
> ttoine,
> There's lots of LMMS alternatives from what I know of the program.  Users
> can also just install LMMS if they don't like those alternatives.  Having
> it installed by default poses too many hurdles for what we gain.
>
> - Eric Hedekar
>


Also, I just checked.  The LMMS binary is built upstream in Debian and
inherited into Ubuntu.  So disabling the wine dependency (and thus VST
support) would then disable it for all Debian distributions.  I don't
believe this is an option worth considering.

-Eric
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