Len Ovens len at
Mon Feb 20 06:06:36 UTC 2012

On Sun, February 19, 2012 8:57 pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2012-02-19 at 18:10 -0800, Len Ovens wrote:
> It's not that hard to add an icon by using alacarte.
> I don't care much about the menu, but perhaps for people using the
> applications menu on different Linux DAWs, by different distros, by
> different studios using Linux, it would be more comfortable to have
> nearly equal menus. A well-intentioned solo effort might be a handicap,
> instead of an advantage.
> IMO providing a menu that differs from the standard is
> contra-productive, it would be better to provide a kernel that differs
> from the standard kernel ;).

I am not sure I have a good (knowledgeable) opinion on this. This not
finalized at all. The points I would make are a bit different. A
multimedia menu with all the audio apps we ship is pretty much unusable.
Very hard to find the app I am looking for without knowing the name and
looking alphabetically. My opinion is that the menu standards need to be
changed as they have become unwieldy. US already has a different menu, so
a change is not something new or unexpected. However, leaving the mainmenu
alone and having a panel with 4 submenus on it might be an alternative. My
problem with that is that my desktop is full enough already for my small

> Adding an exotic menu could become an additional PITA, we already have
> enough other issues:
> - No audio output for pro-audio cards without workarounds.

Are there other distros without this problem? Is this something we
(ubuntustudio) could fix. I agree this is much more important than menus,
but menus are something I can do.

> - Just an experimental graphics driver for NVIDIA cards or a proprietary
>   that will offend the GPL, when using it with a kernel-rt.
>   There still is a working driver, but that driver is dropped, so lets
>   force the vesa driver what screen resolution we are allowed to use or
>   let's offend the GPL.

Again not specific to our distro and not within our capability to fix.

> - No kernel that enables best performance for all audio tasks.

This is actually being worked on. It should be there for 12.04 if all goes
well. We are hoping by the first beta.

> A user still has to fix tons of issues. Please make such a menu
> optional, don't force such exotic entries.

My hope is that the list of fixes the user has to do will decrease for
this release. The menu will be decided by the group. If the majority want
it will go, other wise not. I think your message counts as a vote.

Thankyou for your comments.

Len Ovens

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