nautilus search function/ how about Nemo?

lukefromdc at lukefromdc at
Wed Dec 19 21:05:31 UTC 2012

Like many, I don't let "upstream" tell me how to run my computers. That's the whole POINT to free sofware. Upstream does something you don't like,do something else. Unity doesn't suit my needs, for my desktops I first went to gnome-shell with the frippery extensions, then to Cinnamon which has effectively replaced them and doesn't break on updates. For my netbook I switched over to Icewm to keep power consumption down and performance up. Both of these reasons are why US switched to XFCE, which I've tested but had some theming issues with using my "ubuntustudio-legacy" theme that looks like a slightly modded version of what US looked like in Hardy Heron.

As for "commercial" I just strip out all support for paid software (software-center, etc), use ffmpeg/avconv instead of fluendo, and since I do have Unity installed for testing I keep scopes and the shopping lens OUT of it, block most ad/tracking servers, etc. I can use my video/audio editing machines as toys easily enough by firing up FOSS games (on open ATI drivers), but I keep shopping and tracking software OUT.

Are you saying the core Linux kernel is developing issues? A kernel can support features, but is so far removed from the DE that I don't see the kernel mandating an environment. Even a total Wayland switchover would only do this if Xorg support was removed from the kernel, and would only be a real problem if Xwayland was to use more resources that X11 with a compositing window manager. I suspect the reverse would be true.

Seems to me such issues would be limited to something like a dependancy on binary blobs that BSD etc managed to work without. I was almost thinking the opposite, that Nvidia would throw in the towel on getting the symbol exports for their "optimus" support, and port their binary blob, with Optimus support included, to a permissively-licensed BSD kernel and ship that whole package as a drop-in replacement for owners of those laptops. In other words, the permissively-licensed BSD kernels are easier, not harder, for a commericial outfit not dedicated to FOSS to work with.

If Linux ever includes keyloggers or digital rights enforcement software, the open-source nature of the project means that would be detected almost instantly. That should be enough to make sure that malicious software never gets into the kernel except as a patch from a distro. You might think about using kernels directly from upstream if distro versions ever become untrusted, though all patches are applied as source and can be examined.

On 12/19/2012 at 3:10 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" <ralf.mardorf at> wrote:
>On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 13:38 -0500, lukefromdc at wrote:
>> I think all the mainline distros are going to have do decide if 
>> are for desktops or tablets
>Upstream already decided what's the new policy for Linux desktop
>environments, beyond that for Ubuntu Mr. Shuttleworth act exactly 
>as I
>always have predicted.
>If we don't want the most evil commercialization, than we simply 
>stay away from Ubuntu, if we want back the KISS approach, than we 
>to switch to another *NIX.
>Debian already has got FreeBSD ports. Debian isn't GNU/Linux any 
>it still does provide GNU/Linux and Linux still is the most 
>for Debian, but the name "Debian" already is for Linux and BSD.
>What you consider as "tablet PC" environment is meant for desktop 
>too. This kind of environment even isn't useful for a tablet PC. 
>simply for consumption only.
>Linux still will be usable for servers, since those usually are
>headless, apart from that it will become a toy and shopping 
>Production is out of style. We don't need tools to consume.
>I'm aware that e.g. FreeBSD isn't a real-time OS, that it does 
>Linux software and has to fight similar issues, but I'm anyway 
>FreeBSD at the moment. I'm still working on my Ubuntu, IOW I 
>borked packages, when ever possible, since the new policy of Linux 
>the only problem, several Linux distros ship with borked packages, 
>at the moment Ubuntu is the most worse on my machine. Fortunately 
>are third party sources, so it's not needed to build everything 
>that is
>borked ourself, OTOH I don't like, that I e.g. have to use the 
>packages to get a working VBox.
>I want to be able to use all my old data with new Linux versions, 
>what ever distro I switch. This has becoming harder and harder and 
>some data it has become impossible.
>When you are subscribed to several lists, you'll notice that many 
>time Linux users are pissed.
>Private I never used something else for the PC. I only run Linux, 
>around 10 years. Before that I used the Atari ST and bevor that 
>the C64.
>Be aware that many people just play around, even with production
>environments. They once test if something does work, but when it 
>broken, they never ever will notice it.
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