Heads up, gcdmaster no longer available in Oneiric.

Ralf Mardorf ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net
Fri Jun 10 16:44:09 UTC 2011

On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 12:07 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Ralf Mardorf
> <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
>         On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 10:30 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
>         > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Ralf Mardorf
>         > <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
>         >         Do you keep in mind, that a lot of Linux audio users
>         migrate
>         >         from distro
>         >         to distro, regarding to what at the moment fit best
>         to their
>         >         needs?
>         >
>         >         I never used this app, but people who are accustomed
>         to it,
>         >         might prefer
>         >         it for their work-flow.
>         >
>         >         Don't make it harder for people to migrate to Ubuntu
>         Studio.
>         >
>         >         2 Cents,
>         >
>         >         Ralf
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > hey Ralph.. ill just paste in Luke's message that started
>         this thread
>         > which contains a very concise explanation of not only why
>         gcdmaster is
>         > going away. but also what we can do to keep it around...
>         >
>         >
>         > "Hi folks,
>         > I still lirk here and read some discussion from time to
>         time, and one
>         > thing I noticed was the daily report of uninstallability
>         issues with
>         > the studio images, the latest one involving
>         gcdmaster/cdrdao. I have
>         > fixed that issue in the seeds, and am presently uploading a
>         new meta
>         > to fix it in the archive properly. The downside is that you
>         lose
>         > gcdmaster. Its worth noting that gcdmaster uses old GNOME
>         libraries
>         > which are being removed from the Ubuntu images, and even
>         main.
>         > Gcdmaster is also not really maintained upstream.
>         Unfortunately this
>         > is not easily fixable, as gcdmaster is built from the cdrdao
>         package,
>         > which is in main.
>         >
>         > If you want gcdmaster, then someone needs to step up and 1)
>         maintain
>         > it, and 2) port it away from legacy GNOME libs.
>         >
>         > Luke"
>         IIUC it depends to the switch from GNOME2 to another DE by
>         Ubuntu. Apart
>         from the Linux audio community/ Ubuntu Studio community, what
>         opinions
>         are common by the Ubuntu users community?
>         There's a German idiom 'zweigleisig fahren' (driving
>         double-tracked),
>         that's what I'm doing. In this case it does mean I'm using
>         Ubuntu and
>         Debian and I'll wait for what will happen in the future.
>         I wonder if Ubuntu drifts too much away from being comfortable
>         for audio
>         usage. Imagine an engineer accustomed to Linux audio can't
>         work with any
>         Linux anymore, because a distro doesn't keep common apps.
>         Until now there are no issues for me, I'm still comfortable
>         with my
>         Maverick install. Well, Natty already is tricky. I've got
>         doubts
>         regarding to Oneiric.
>         OTOH, for Debian there's much more work to set up a DAW, I
>         don't think a
>         lot of people will debuild ALSA firmware etc..
>         IMO this will cause more and more Ubuntu and Debian
>         derivatives, so
>         manpower is scattered to the four winds. We already have
>         several
>         audio/art distros based on Ubuntu or Debian.
>         Regards,
>         Ralf
> seems like http://www.linuxmint.com/ 's decision is to roll with
> gnome2 "til the wheels fall off". ubuntustudio must stick to what
> ubuntu main is doing (pretty much) so gnome2 is going away.
> personally, if GCDmaster (which seems to have last been updated in
> 2006) is one of only a handful of apps that "break" because of the
> gnome2 deprecation, then i say "AWESOME!", and you can quote me on it.

Mike, perhaps I should reconsider my own words. "Imagine an engineer
accustomed to Linux audio can't work with any Linux anymore, because a
distro doesn't keep common apps." I'm not sure if this is correct
English, I tried to say, that an engineer is able to use some distros,
but e.g. not Ubuntu Studio anymore, because it's different to other

In error my thought was, that Ubuntu does it different to all other

Soon or later GNOME2 will be dropped by every distro, so OTOH to stick
with GNOME2 libs might cause the situation I fear and not as I thought
before, to drop GNOME2 libs.

Anyway, I'm disgruntled by the current situation.




I need to capture world domination and prohibit GNOME3 and Pulseaudio
and btw. I need to force somebody to reedit the hdsp firmware, currently
my new HDSPe AIO only can be used at 48KHz with 1024 frames/period,
resp. I didn't test the firmware from git.

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