[Ubuntu-SG] New to singapore

Thu Nov 20 05:20:45 UTC 2014

For our entry level jobs I think we would consider have installed linux
once on a computer. But I cant even find that. 1-2 years of experience and
I wouldn't let you leave the interview, id produce contracts on the spot :D

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 1:17 PM, billy am <wickedpuppy at gmail.com> wrote:

> Because most entry level jobs postings require that you have at least 1 -
> 2 years of Linux working experience , not volunteer experience mind you.
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> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Ravi Mohan <faileas.greywolf at gmail.com>
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>> And most people want coders, rather than sysadmins, and the same sort of
>> sysadmin 'culture' I've seen with US based folks dosen't exist here to the
>> same extent.
>>
>> Most linux folks here are self taught too - most schools here and in the
>> region are heavily into windows, and quite a lot of the older, more
>> experienced folks have no idea about linux - I was helping lecturers with
>> *years* of IT experience through putty of all things.
>>
>>  . And eh, job hunting for linux admin type jobs, especially at the entry
>> level is a bit of a pain. I've been applying to quite a few and no luck
>> yet.
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>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:31 PM, billy am <wickedpuppy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A few reasons why it is so hard to find Linux admins here , from my
>>> point of view and my experience applying jobs
>>>
>>> 1) SG is small , tiny actually , total population is 5.3 millions.
>>> Compare that to Facebook/Twitter/Google customer base , in billions.
>>> Even if the entire Singapore population comes to your website , the daily
>>> hit rate will be no more than 5.3 millions.Compare that to Google/Facebook
>>> , in billions in hours , thats small.
>>>
>>> So then unless you are serving the regional market , why pay for Linux
>>> Admin , which is hard to find , than a Windows admin , which any Tom , Dick
>>> and Harry might be able to do with a simple training and certs? It would be
>>> like cracking a nut with an Elephant.
>>>
>>> 2) Small country = small population also means that most companies are
>>> not interested/experienced in aiming/planning to scale up their operations.
>>> Few SG companies go out of SG to regional/global. So most don't see how IT
>>> costs can go up exponentially if you are a slave to M$.
>>>
>>> Again , contrast it with big countries , if you become popular in New
>>> York , you plan to conquer the entire US. There are plenty of Americans who
>>> might be interested in your product.
>>>
>>> 3)  the dept head must be accountable for his payroll and SLA , so most
>>> will look for Windows admins. With VMWare , backup and restore is also
>>> easier. I got Windows boxes at work that crash weekly , but with the magic
>>> of VMWare snapshots , we can do DR and restore so that solves the problem
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> 4) A lot of big companies , Banks mainly , are also moving their IT
>>> infra to India/China with the rise of cloud usage. It no longer matters now
>>> if the DC is in Singapore or India. And of course , by the magic of very
>>> strong S$ , its definitely cheaper to hire outside than inside.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Billy
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>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Muhammad Heidir <md.heidir at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ben,
>>>>
>>>> I deal with Linux blackboxes for the past 5 years ranging from custom
>>>> built BlueCoat Proxies, Barracuda appliances to Imperva SecureSphere boxes.
>>>> They have been very useful stuff. Some customisable some are not.
>>>>
>>>> The best thing I ever did was to have one in AWS where it is currently
>>>> hosting my personal/family site. Its a reliable OS if you know your way in
>>>> it. But sometimes, its flaky when too many customisations are being done.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you are looking for and I’ll try my best to assist you.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,     Muhammad Heidir  | Father, Husband, IT Freak
>>>> SystemX | Punggol Arcadia
>>>> Mobile: +65 9026 6674
>>>>       Website   Email <md.heidir at gmail.com>    Map
>>>> <https://maps.google.com.sg/?q=627A+Aljunied+Road,+BizTech+Centre,+#05-07,%20Singapore%20389842>
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>>>> On 20 Nov 2014, at 12:07, Ben De Luca <bdeluca at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 2 linux folk double the number of people I know who do tech in admin
>>>> for linux here :D
>>>>
>>>> Our company is almost entirely linux, about around 700 machines. We
>>>> struggle to find any one who knows any thing about it.
>>>>
>>>> What do other people do?
>>>>
>>>> Ive got about 17 years of experience picked up slackware in the late
>>>> 90's so I had something similar to the solaris at uni.  Though we do mostly
>>>> fedora/ubuntu at work.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:01 PM, billy am <wickedpuppy at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ben ,
>>>>>
>>>>> Used to be several ,
>>>>>
>>>>> - LUGS (Linux Users Group of Singapore)
>>>>> - SUSE User Group
>>>>> - Fedora User Group
>>>>> - The rest I am not sure ... perhaps Mint may have?
>>>>>
>>>>> We did use to have a annual FOSS day about 5 years ago but not
>>>>> anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Billy
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Ben De Luca <bdeluca at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are there other linux user groups here? does any one do meet ups?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:56 AM, billy am <wickedpuppy at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Ben ,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Welcome to Singapore!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are definitely not alone but there isn't that many Linux
>>>>>>> sysadmins either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pls let us know if you need any help adjusting to life in Singapore
>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Billy
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Ben De Luca <bdeluca at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>>    I am a linux sysadmin new to Singapore, just wanted to reach out
>>>>>>>> and find out if I was alone :D
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