[Ubuntu-SG] Should we "Say No to Piracy"?

Muhammad Heidir dave33bravo at yahoo.com.sg
Mon Jun 22 08:37:52 UTC 2009


On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 16:11 +0800, suhaw koh wrote:
> Hi Tom,
> 
> 
> A quick response to your point about multi-region DVD players:
> 
> 
> The Digital Life article by Alfred Siew you quoted was published in
> 2004, prior to the amendment of the laws.  Check out this FAQ from
> IPOS website:
> http://www.ipos.gov.sg/topNav/leg/pub/pas/FAQ+for+USSFTA
> +Consultation.htm
> 
> 
> 
> What if a person purchased and used a multi-coded player for films
> e.g. DVD player? Would that also be considered an act of
> circumvention?
> No. There is also an express provision in Section 261C(10) allowing
> for import or sale of devices whose sole purpose is to control market
> segmentation for access to films e.g. multi-coded DVD player.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> As for the more recent Nov 2008 DL article about Sim Lim raids that
> Chew quoted, they are specifically about modifying devices to
> circumvent access control measures, ie modifying the Wii machines to
> play pirated software.
> 
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> suhaw
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/6/22 chewearn <chew4097 at gmail.com>
>         Caveat: IANAL.
>         
>         Check out this article:
>         http://www.asiaone.com/Digital/News/Story/A1Story20081117-101233.html
>         
>         Especially the last paragraph, quote:
>         "It is illegal under the Copyright Act to
>         'circumvent...technological access control measures'. Those
>         convicted face up to $20,000 in fines or up to two years'
>         jail, or both."
>         
>         I leave it to you to make the appropriate conclusion.
>         
>         
>         Regards
>         Chew
>         
>         
>         2009/6/22 Tom Goh <tomgohj at gmail.com>
>                 
>                 Just did a search and I may be wrong about fair use in
>                 singapore.
>                 
>                 http://computertimes.asiaone.com.sg/columns/story/0,5104,2804,00.html
>                 
>                 The Free Trade Agreement with the United States
>                 obliges Singapore to
>                 tighten up copyright laws by this year. Singapore's
>                 stand, fortunately,
>                 is an enlightened one.
>                 
>                 An important clause in the proposed changes states
>                 that it is not
>                 illegal to disable technology used for 'market
>                 segmentation'. It ensures
>                 that multi-region DVD players are okay to use here.
>                 
>                 It does not specifically state anything about
>                 Singapore and decss.
>                 
>                 
>                 
>                 
>                 suhaw koh wrote:
>                 > Hi All,
>                 >
>                 > Seeking your thoughts/inputs/advice on the following
>                 idea.
>                 >
>                 > Further to the Schools project idea.
>                 >
>                 > Since a key tenet of this project is to reinforce
>                 the students'
>                 > awareness and respect for IP rights, I was thinking
>                 of enlisting the
>                 > assistance of IPOS.
>                 >
>                 > At there website, I came across the HIP (Honour
>                 Intellectual Property)
>                 > Alliance at this url:
>                 >    http://www.ipos.gov.sg/topNav/prg/gen/HIP+(Honour
>                 +Intellectual+Property)+Alliance.htm
>                 >
>                 > It describes the Alliance thus:
>                 >
>                 > "HIP Alliance Members
>                 >
>                 > The HIP Alliance members include organisations
>                 involved in creative arts
>                 > and the creative industries, international
>                 organisations, industry
>                 > bodies and private sector players that believe in
>                 Singapore's message to
>                 > Say No to Piracy."
>                 >
>                 > I was just wondering if TUSG should sign up to be a
>                 member of the
>                 > alliance ?  I know it is not quite what was
>                 envisaged, but I believe
>                 > TUSG should be a strong supporter of "Singapore's
>                 message to Say No to
>                 > Piracy".
>                 >
>                 > What do you think ?
>                 >
>                 >
>                 > suhaw
>                 > --
>                 > ________________________
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>                 > http://suhaw.teresaville.org/
>                 >
>                 
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Hi,

Correct me if I'm wrong. But this is what they meant:

1) As long as the media is purchased legally, then having a multi-coded
DVD player is fine. May I conclude that, if you bought the DVD legally,
and decide to rip it and save it as a backup, then it is ok. But if you
share, sell or distribute then it is not ok.

2) Then if you build, sell or distribute systems that enable illegally
obtained/pirated media to run, then it is considered an act of
circumvention.

Does these affect us joining the alliance then?

Canonical/Ubuntu does not do those stuff. In anyway, there are totally
Open Source solutions which are legal. I don't see any issue in having
us a part of this alliance but more to adding credibility.

Your views?
-- 
Best Regards,
Muhammad Heidir

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