Platform vs Product [Was: Re: Moving w3m out of standard]

Brett Alton brett.jr.alton at
Mon Jun 23 14:32:26 UTC 2008

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Jamie Strandboge <jamie at> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Michael Hipp wrote:
>> I think that's a *good* thing because I consider a server to be a *platform*
>> upon which I add the things (applications) that make it do what I need.
> This is going to echo some of Soren's lastest post, but think it bears
> repeating:
> It's clear to me what is really being discussed is should Ubuntu Server
> be a platform or a product akin to Ubuntu Desktop? Both are valid and
> useful, but *distinct*.
> To quote Soren: Ubuntu is "about making everything more useful by
> default". I absolutely agree with this, and through discussion, things
> like screen and other software, where appropriate and after thorough
> review, should be part of Ubuntu Server's default installation. This
> functionality and integration work is what gets at the heart of what
> Ubuntu is-- "Linux for Human Beings".
> On the other hand, there is a clear need to have an install method for
> server that is minimal, or platform oriented. Right now, the mini ISO,
> the alternate CD, JeOS and the current server CD all approach this from
> different angles, but come close to the same end result (though, IIRC,
> you end up with a different kernel in each). I suggest we have on the
> server CD a boot option like 'linux minimal' (this has been
> suggested/implied elsewhere in this thread). This might simply be
> ubuntu-standard with the server kernel and a note that mentions running
> tasksel for additional packages (but this will need to be discussed).
> Using this methodology, we allow for the functionality and integration
> work that defines Ubuntu, but also provide a server platform that is
> useful for those with specialized needs.
> Jamie
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I would like Ubuntu to install a minimal server with the option of
using tasksel. I think that's a great idea! It'll be pretty much JeOS,

But no matter what, we'll still need a full CD for users who don't
have ethernet connections. Not that they have dial-up but some have to
setup a server with no ethernet connected and need a full server on

Brett Alton
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