Ubuntu-screencasts Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13
harkonen
harkonen at inbox.com
Wed Oct 17 20:10:04 BST 2007
I think the screencasts seem intelligible and certainly move at a fair pace. If the problem is that the commenter is concerned about people not native to the language, I wonder if a slower speaking pace or less of any kind of accent (American or British) would really help. Given that the screencasts are open source and re-distributable, maybe an idea for the screencast site would be a HOWTO on recording and attaching a native-language dub track so people can record their own audio and redistribute.
- harkonen
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> 1. Interesting comment.. (Alan Pope)
> 2. RE: Interesting comment.. (Doru Horishco)
> 3. RE: Interesting comment.. (Diego Cortassa)
> 4. Re: Interesting comment.. (Stephen Drake)
> 5. Re: Interesting comment.. (Matthew Rossi)
> 6. Re: Interesting comment.. (Tabrez Iqbal)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:27:28 +0100
> From: Alan Pope <alan at popey.com>
> Subject: Interesting comment..
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> Hi,
>
> An interesting comment was placed on the site today, to which I have
> replied already, but I wanted to hear what you all think.
>
> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/MoS2007/14_Files_and_Folders#comment-260
> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/MoS2007/14_Files_and_Folders#comment-261
>
> Specifically the section about "non accented" American English vs
> accented British English.
>
> Is my voice hard to understand? What can be done to improve it?
>
> I'm guessing:-
>
> * Reduce bass
> * Speak slower
>
> Cheers,
> Al.
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> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:31:54 +0300
> From: Doru Horishco <doruhushhush at hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Interesting comment..
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> I have cable tv at home. The news channel I first tune in every day is
> the BBC World
> Service (or something like that). There are no subtitles there and I'm
> proud to
> recognise that I understand more than 95% of the words.
> There was a time when Animal Planet channel doesn't have subtitle either
> and I
> was forced to remember all the forgotten words and learn others that I
> never knew
> they existed. (I watch other channels too).
> There are two English voices that I love. The first one is the
> voice of sir
> David Attenborough and the second is the one of Alan Pope (you can't
> compete
> with me I'm a fan).
> Improvement? Yes it can be improved. Alan's voice is one of a
> story teller
> and I personally find that pretty hard to synchronise with a subtitle.
> But it is
> not impossible. If you can "write down" the sound track before dubbing
> and read
> the result when you actually encode the screencast.
> I found 2 or 3 words that I wasn't familiar with ( corky , quirky ). But
> I found them
> amusing.
> About the technical words, they rise no problems to me, so no
> need to change them.
> Conclusion : Not much to do (if nothing).
>
>> Subject: Interesting comment..
>> From: alan at popey.com
>> To: ubuntu-screencasts at lists.ubuntu.com
>> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:27:28 +0100
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> An interesting comment was placed on the site today, to which I have
>> replied already, but I wanted to hear what you all think.
>>
>> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/MoS2007/14_Files_and_Folders#comment-260
>> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/MoS2007/14_Files_and_Folders#comment-261
>>
>> Specifically the section about "non accented" American English vs
>> accented British English.
>>
>> Is my voice hard to understand? What can be done to improve it?
>>
>> I'm guessing:-
>>
>> * Reduce bass
>> * Speak slower
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Al.
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> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:18:35 +0200
> From: Diego Cortassa <diego.cortassa at logx.it>
> Subject: RE: Interesting comment..
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> I agree with Doru at all, I find much more pleasing the sound of British
> English opposed to American. It could be because we are both Europeans
> and more used to meet British people than American.
> I love Don McAllister voice too from http://www.screencastonline.com/ I
> don't care about Mac OS but I follow all of his free casts! :-)
>
> Keep on with your accent Al!!
>
> And we want more "easter eggs" like Tigger... hehehe
>
> Il giorno mar, 16/10/2007 alle 19.31 +0300, Doru Horishco ha scritto:
>> I have cable tv at home. The news channel I first tune in every day is
>> the BBC World
>> Service (or something like that). There are no subtitles there and
>> I'm proud to
>> recognise that I understand more than 95% of the words.
>> There was a time when Animal Planet channel doesn't have subtitle
>> either and I
>> was forced to remember all the forgotten words and learn others that
>> I never knew
>> they existed. (I watch other channels too).
>> There are two English voices that I love. The first one is the
>> voice of sir
>> David Attenborough and the second is the one of Alan Pope (you can't
>> compete
>> with me I'm a fan).
>> Improvement? Yes it can be improved. Alan's voice is one of a
>> story teller
>> and I personally find that pretty hard to synchronise with a
>> subtitle. But it is
>> not impossible. If you can "write down" the sound track before dubbing
>> and read
>> the result when you actually encode the screencast.
>> I found 2 or 3 words that I wasn't familiar with ( corky , quirky ).
>> But I found them
>> amusing.
>> About the technical words, they rise no problems to me, so no
>> need to change them.
>> Conclusion : Not much to do (if nothing).
>>
>>> Subject: Interesting comment..
>>> From: alan at popey.com
>>> To: ubuntu-screencasts at lists.ubuntu.com
>>> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:27:28 +0100
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> An interesting comment was placed on the site today, to which I have
>>> replied already, but I wanted to hear what you all think.
>>>
>>>
>> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/MoS2007/14_Files_and_Folders#comment-260
>>>
>> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/MoS2007/14_Files_and_Folders#comment-261
>>>
>>> Specifically the section about "non accented" American English vs
>>> accented British English.
>>>
>>> Is my voice hard to understand? What can be done to improve it?
>>>
>>> I'm guessing:-
>>>
>>> * Reduce bass
>>> * Speak slower
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Al.
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:18:42 +0100
> From: Stephen Drake <stevepdrake at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: Interesting comment..
> To: Ubuntu screencast team list <ubuntu-screencasts at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 16:27 +0100, Alan Pope wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> An interesting comment was placed on the site today, to which I have
>> replied already, but I wanted to hear what you all think.
>>
>> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/MoS2007/14_Files_and_Folders#comment-260
>> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/MoS2007/14_Files_and_Folders#comment-261
>>
>> Specifically the section about "non accented" American English vs
>> accented British English.
>>
>> Is my voice hard to understand? What can be done to improve it?
>>
>> I'm guessing:-
>>
>> * Reduce bass
>> * Speak slower
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Al.
>
> I can't really comment on the accent because I'm British too. The
> southern accent is a little off-putting at times.
>
> Could you attempt a northern accent? I would prefer Broad Yorkshire,
> though I'll also accept Mancunian.
>
> When you get to MoS 19, can you talk like a pirate?
>
> Seriously though, I don't think you need to change things too much. The
> pace of recent screencasts have been much better than some of the
> earlier ones.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:33:31 +1000
> From: "Matthew Rossi" <matthew.penguincentral at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Interesting comment..
> To: "Ubuntu screencast team list"
> <ubuntu-screencasts at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> Everyone is used to the voice of americans, not brits. there is not much
> you can do about it. I can understand you well enough.
>
> On 10/17/07, Stephen Drake <stevepdrake at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 16:27 +0100, Alan Pope wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> An interesting comment was placed on the site today, to which I have
>>> replied already, but I wanted to hear what you all think.
>>>
>>> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/MoS2007/14_Files_and_Folders#comment-260
>>> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/MoS2007/14_Files_and_Folders#comment-261
>>>
>>> Specifically the section about "non accented" American English vs
>>> accented British English.
>>>
>>> Is my voice hard to understand? What can be done to improve it?
>>>
>>> I'm guessing:-
>>>
>>> * Reduce bass
>>> * Speak slower
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Al.
>>
>> I can't really comment on the accent because I'm British too. The
>> southern accent is a little off-putting at times.
>>
>> Could you attempt a northern accent? I would prefer Broad Yorkshire,
>> though I'll also accept Mancunian.
>>
>> When you get to MoS 19, can you talk like a pirate?
>>
>> Seriously though, I don't think you need to change things too much. The
>> pace of recent screencasts have been much better than some of the
>> earlier ones.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:25:52 +0530
> From: "Tabrez Iqbal" <tabrez.iqbal at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Interesting comment..
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>>
>> On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 16:27 +0100, Alan Pope wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> An interesting comment was placed on the site today, [...]
>>>> Specifically the section about "non accented" American English vs
>>>> accented British English.
>>>>
>>>> Is my voice hard to understand? What can be done to improve it?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Al.
>>>
>>
> My general impression is that people here in India follow the British
> accent
> better than the American accent(I definitely do) but I think it is slowly
> changing with lot of Indians migrating to US and not as many to UK. Many
> TV
> channels also telecast American shows 24x7 these days where even the lone
> British channel BBC is shown only in selected areas.
>
> My understanding is that as long as the screencasts are purely technical
> in
> nature, any accent should be fairly easy to follow. I follow 95% of
> Alan's
> screencasts even when I am half asleep ;) and miss out only on rarely
> used
> English words(should be common to native English speakers). In future
> if/when we have contributors(in English) from Africa, India and East
> Asia,
> the accent problem might become more pronounced, so let's not fret on
> British vs American accent and just make sure that English subtitles are
> also made available for every screencast(like it's already done) ;)
>
> If the script of the screencast can be made available before the audio is
> recorded(not very practical I believe), perhaps a non-native English
> speaker
> can mark difficult non-technical words in it to be replaced with a more
> common alternative.
>
> Tabrez
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