Beta 1

[Scott Kitterman]

Phil (phillw),

I was offline most of today due to the holiday in the US, so I had no idea what 
your mail was about when it appeared on the -release list.  I just went back 
and reviewed the #ubuntu-release backlog for today to try and figure it out.

It seems like every milestone you want assurance that everything is perfect 
before asking people to test so they won't waste time on anything other than 
the final.  It's really not a very productive attitude.  You've been told this 
repeatedly, but it doesn't seem to stick.

You were repeatedly abusive and disrespectful in the channel of things that 
were minor issues, not the release team's issue to work, etc.  Now that I've 
read the channel logs, my question isn't do you owe Laney an apology, but who 
else?

Simmer down and listen more.  Currently I think much of your attempts to help 
are (unintientionally, I'm sure) counterproductive.

Scott K

On Tuesday, September 03, 2013 00:08:14 Phill Whiteside wrote:
> If you wish to be pedantic, read through the "rules" of handing over.
> Whilst everyone (even me) is entitled to a "life", mile stone releases are
> of such significance that if the original OP has time constraints, there
> should be, as per the CoC a seamless hand over of responsibilities.
> 
> I do not, therefore think that any apology is needed from all the *buntu
> teams who have had no leadership for failed builds etc. Only now am I
> sending out an email to let their testers know that the ISO's are there. To
> further this, it has been suggested that the beta 1 *may* be delayed until
> Friday.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> On 2 September 2013 23:38, Micah Gersten <micahg at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> >  On 09/02/2013 05:12 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> >  I'd like to register that while my self and Laney have not seen eye tio
> > 
> > eye, his attempt of building the Beta 1's for our community teams has been
> > a complete and utter disaster.
> > <rant>
> > 
> >  The release team are trying to pick up the pieces and manually spin
> > 
> > ISO's. The cut off date is Thursday, we are now on Tuesday with NO stable
> > ISO. For heavens sake, out of all the community who wanted a beta 1...
> > lubuntu was the only one there and told it would be re-spun.
> > 
> >  This is a disgraceful way to treat testers. Yes, those people who
> > 
> > actually check systems work.
> > 
> >  I can be a royal PITA for shouting up what testers let me know, but not
> > 
> > having  a beta 1 - with no idea when it will arrive and the final; insult
> > of the person "Laney" to vanish from the discussion explains one simple
> > thing... He's not up to the job of being pro-active for issues that occur.
> > Instead the -release team gathered together to do what they could.
> > 
> >  Laney, in charge?!!! Where was he?
> >  
> >  </end rant>
> > 
> >  To quote the original mail [1]:
> > "Also let us know when you would like automatic image builds stopped,
> > otherwise the assumption is Monday evening UK time."
> > 
> > The window from Thursday to today was meant to stabilize ISOs after the
> > freeze.  I see no evidence on this list that you wanted Beta ISOs any
> > sooner than the rest of the flavors.
> > 
> > Release candidates for Betas are usually available sometime on Tuesday of
> > release week as are the alphas.  The main difference with beta is there
> > are
> > a few days to stabilize ISOs without a lot of churn in the archive.
> > AFAIK, this has not changed in years.
> > 
> > Laney stopped the dailies and spun up ISOs as he said he would, warned
> > that he wouldn't be around later, and said that people can respin if
> > needed. [2]
> > 
> > Chastising someone for stepping away when it's late evening for them [2]
> > (close to 8PM in this case when the interaction occured, though, really,
> > it's not ok at any time).  There are polite ways to address disagreements
> > and this certainly isn't one of them.
> > 
> > To quote the CoC [3]:
> >    - Be respectful
> >    
> >    Disagreement is no excuse for poor manners. We work together to
> >    resolve conflict, assume good intentions and do our best to act in an
> >    empathic fashion. We don't allow frustration to turn into a personal
> >    attack. A community where people feel uncomfortable or threatened is
> >    not a
> >    productive one.
> > 
> > I think that a public apology is in order here.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Micah Gersten
> > Ubuntu Core Dev and Ubuntu Membership Board member
> > 
> > [1]
> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2013-August/002499.html
> > [2] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/09/02/%23ubuntu-release.html#t17:00and
> > continues of and on until about 19:00 [3]
> > http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct
> > 
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