New proposal: QA-LP contact

[Scott Kitterman]

On Friday 08 August 2008 09:15, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote:
> Jordan Mantha wrote:
> > So here's my "let's get going" counter-proposal:
> >
> > 1) the role be named "Liaison" to be consistent with other Ubuntu teams
> > (only MOTU and Translations right now, but still) and I think it fits
> > best.
> > 2) the emphasis of the role is facilitating communication with LP and
> > driving discussion when needed.
> > 3) this person will be the contact person for the QA team when they need
> > help with LP-related issues.
> > 4) we let the person figure out what else is needed :-)
>
> Right, I'm happy for us to select a person for this and let them define
> the role from there. Including the name ;)
>
> I don't have a problem with the word Liaison as such, but I am sceptical
> about your grand plan for an Ubuntu-wide LP council, which I see as
> overly bureaucratic - and I'm assuming these plans are the reason you
> feel strongly about the name. I'm less interested in dictionary
> definitions of words than in the reasons people use them and how they
> are interpreted in turn by others - words in context.
>
> I think instead of an LP-council in Ubuntu we should encourage the rest
> of the LP team to follow Tom's example and engage more directly with the
> Ubuntu community. And if we need a council of Liaison who funnel
> information to LP for us (which again, I don't think is the right model)
> then I suspect it would need a charter from the CC and not be set up one
> Liaison at a time with no clear roadmap for what it will eventually look
> like.

No where did Jordan suggest a funnel through whom all communication must pass.  
I suspect that if you stopped objecting to proposals Jordan didn't make we 
could resolve this fairly quickly.  How do you get "funnel" out
of  "facilitating communication"?  

> So I disagree with your counter-proposal point #1, not so much for the
> word you choose but for the reason you give (points 2-4 are fine btw).
> But again, this is just my view, and if others on the QA team people
> feel that 'Liaison' is the best term and/or that the Ubuntu-wide LP
> council is something we should be pushing for via the QA team, them I'm
> happy to accept that title.

I also don't find an Ubuntu wide LP council either.  I find trying to use 
consistent language for consistent roles.  

Personally, I've been told by a senior Launchpad developer that because I do 
not have a positive view of the direction Launchpad U/I has been going, my 
views are by definition "not credible".  I'm in favor of whatever we can do 
to open up a community that does not appear to me to be particularly 
interested in outside input.

Scott K