Ubuntu-Pakistan Licencing reasons

[Waqas Toor]

On 12/6/06, Burhan Khalid <burhan.khalid at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Of course you are not. It is your choice to purchase a computer with
> Windows and a winmodem. I choose to purchase my systems without an
> operating system.
>
> Businesses are there to make money. What is more feasible to you as a
> business? Take a risk and develop some hardware, then sell it at a
> higher cost to a niche market -- or, develop hardware that is
> compatible with 90% of the world's desktops, and reduce the cost
> because you know you can sell more?

again monoply ... i am bound by the desktop champ to do such things
... and about winmodems . they are due to microsoft's approach towards
that layer that will communicate with the device ... and make the
kernel hybrid :) ... and killing all those who come their way ...
linspyre .. was lindows ... wine project ... but now changed the
registry entries to fail it on wine ... so a giant making his own road
... and if you have to walk on that road you have to go by the rules
of that giant ... but again linmodems are there :) tweaks of winmodems
not an issue any more

> We can't deny that Windows has a monopoly on the desktop. Whose fault
> it is? Why is it a fault? Can't we just accept that Linux has a great
> challenge if it has to come close to being considered a viable desktop
> alternative?
>
> Speaking of software and costs -- just yesterday in Kuwait (where I am
> based) I saw a sight that made me grin from ear to ear. A company was
> selling Acer laptops preloaded with Fedora :) No Windows.

yeah and a guy claimed $50 refunded when he rejected the preinstalled
windows ... so the world is changing ... just a little more awareness
:P

> > OSS people have always  earned from their support ... but paying for
> > windows software $500 and a $500 plus for Office and more dollars for
> > support ( excluding time into monetary values ) have we ever thought
> > of contributing $10 to any OSS project ?
>
> This is a great point, I agree with you 100%, which is why I donate to
> OS projects :)

and thats the best you can do with them to be loyal to their cause :)

>
> Clearly, if you have developed any kind of software at any scale, you
> know better than to say "never breaks". Everything breaks. Its just
> how long it takes and what damage it does when it does break is what
> is important.

i am a software developer ... and what i thinking keeping monkeys
using my software makes me to test i more and more on every situation
... but still it crashes .. but how to recover ... and have you tried
recovering those stupid swp files in winME and found.000 folders in
WinXP ? if yes  do tell me they ate a lot of my data :(

it depends upon your model that how mature was your analysis about
some problem ..and MS guys dont have any ... why i am saying ... see
the changes in asp .net 1.1 and 2 ... totall change ... hehehheh

>
> Yes, but the poster original mentioned 'desktop speeds'. Of course,
> you are not running that as your primary workstation. That was my
> point.  Everyone knows, the best use of a 486 with a network card is a
> firewall :) Hell, you don't even need a hard disk.
and you are the 10th whom i talked have said the same thing :) rock on
486 .. but with windows i can only dream ... here comes the hardware
through put ... try FreeDOS on 486 ... and it still sucks :)

>
> You should install Ethereal for Windows :)
again opensource software helping your windows ... but windows not
helping you to get those away :P

> As far as the blaster worm comment -- I don't why you hadn't already
> bought the av in the first place :P
LOL i dont buy now ... i contribute when i came to Open Source land

> You see, it is your choice to deploy open source, and that's great.
> For businessess that have already invested in the Microsoft system --
> to come to them and say -- "you are wasting your money" or other such
> nonsense that I have seen come from so called "Linux evangelists" is
> just stupid and unprofessional. If you really want a business to
> shift, you will stop arguing the same 'flamewar' topics and instead
> concentrate on how a shift or migration would help their business line
> dramatically.
>
> Case in point -- I have a business client that already had a large
> investment in Windows Servers and everything is running great. They
> were thinking of setting up a new webserver farm for a new business
> project; and they called me in to evaluate some of the offers they had
> recieved.  I showed them, in plain dollars and sense how a different
> approach would save them money.  My approach happened to be with Linux
> clustering.  They were a bit apprehensive at first, saying that Linux
> is for "hackers" and saying things that I imagine they got from people
> evangelizing Linux in the wrong way.

that is the whole debate ,,, linux and windows a different from core
.. i mean kernel , libraries etc ... they are nothing alike ... but
what people try is to find alternates without know these core concepts
.. and here they fail .. free is as in freedom .. but people want free
beer ... so that is the main point that linux is a different approach
towards software (opensource)  and windows is different closed source
... have you ever thought Microsoft is one company ... and Opensource
is whole world ?


>
> You missed my point. My point was that there are compromises in each
> system. To say that Linux is foolproof is foolhardy.
>
> Spam is a problem for any business, and it has nothing to do with
> Linux or Windows.  You forget that spam was around before emails took
> off :)
LOL


> This comes down to a business decision. Maybe they don't consider
> postgres to be mature enough? Who is going to support them? Is it
> compatible with their current (example) Oracle Financials or SAP
> systems? Where will they find proficient people in postgres?  All
> these questions come up.
>
very true ... and this is how the OpenSource support companies are
earning ... answering these questions and supporting the un supported
...and this is how open source works ... but if you want a feature in
MS sql server ... you cant ... but with postgres if people are not
developing ... you have the source you can develop your feature right
?

> > forget if some thing hurts ... consider me a noob ... but cant help it
>
> We are all noobs in the game of life.
yeah and i like being a noob ;)
its a long debate on linux and microsoft ... the debate should be on
software piracy and adopting good computing ethic

PS. there is a lot of difference between hacker and cracker ... i am a
hacker not a cracker .. again ethics :)
-- 
Waqas Toor
member of Ubuntu Pakistani Team
waqas at ubuntu-pk.org
http://www.ubuntu-pk.org

Linux *is* user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are.
In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and Gates ?

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