Shared website development and/or hosting

Fri Nov 16 09:57:38 UTC 2012

On 16/11/12 10:34, Jesper Jarlskov wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Pasi Lallinaho 
> <pasi at shimmerproject.org <mailto:pasi at shimmerproject.org>> wrote:
>
>     On 11/15/2012 10:36 PM, Titanus Eramius wrote:
>     > On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:32:57 +0200
>     > Jussi Kekkonen <tmt at ubuntu.com <mailto:tmt at ubuntu.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     >> The biggest "why" for me is the fact that maintaining the platform
>     >> (themes etc) and content tends to take more work than there's
>     doers.
>     >> If basic contents would be done with bigger team, translations
>     would
>     >> be easy to do and more easily organised than creating contents from
>     >> scratch. All the rest is easily thrown to wiki I'd say.
>     >>
>     > In this I agree 100% and I think it should be the main reason for
>     > working towards a common site. In DK we have around ~350 active
>     > members, but only 2 admins and 2 mods, which (in my opinion)
>     means some
>     > things just don't get done.
>     >
>     > However, I too disagrees in having one forum only, since a fair
>     part of
>     > the danish users don't do english (at all). One solution might be to
>     > have 5 "top level forums", so one first chooses language (DK,
>     SE, NO,
>     > FI and EN*), and then can browse the localized forum.
>
>     I'd like to keep the forums discussion separate from this website
>     discussion. I don't personally have any motivation to pursue a shared
>     forum, even with areas for all different languages.
>
>
> I agree, lets not focus on a common forum.
>
>     > My rationale for thinking this way is the great value of past
>     threads
>     > in a forum, and collecting the knowledge of Scandinavia within one
>     > site would be reason enough for me to work towards one site.
>     Having all
>     > this in one place, would also mean the search-function would show
>     > results from all of the forums.
>     >
>     > A large site like this, would also be able to have a wiki and other
>     > nice things which we currently don't have in DK because we lack
>     > manpower.
>
>     I'm not sure wiki should in the scope of this discussion either, but
>     that's of course possible later. But why would we want/need a
>     shared wiki?
>
>
> I am a bit confused here, then. It seems I have missed the kind of 
> information you would present on the site.

General information about Ubuntu, how to obtain it, ... I think this is 
pretty much what LoCos have on their sites already.

>     > One very big downside to all of this, could be that our forums would
>     > loose their sense of nationality and become "too big" for some
>     users.
>     > This is why I think it's important that a common site would have
>     > individual sections with individual language and so on.
>     >
>     > In the end, however, we all have to remember that we are doing
>     this for
>     > the users, not us.
>     >
>     > On another note, I would like to know what software and hosting
>     > solutions you are using. Just out of curiosity.
>
>     I believe most are using the Canonical-hosted servers.
>
>     While the service is free for LoCos, it has some downsides. The
>     biggest
>     one not being able to work with the code "live". Anyway, this works
>     relatively well, at least if you can test things you push
>     somewhere else
>     first.
>
>
> When the LoCo service was introduced I remember people having trouble 
> with it because of long response times and a rather tough deployment 
> process. I am not sure whether this is still the case, though.
> Regarding working on the live code, I'm not sure why you would want to 
> do that, it sounds like a really bad idea.

It's much better than it used to be.

That's why the "live" was in quotes. I was merely pointing to the fact 
that somebody else has to process your patches, and if it's code, review 
that too.

>     > In DK we are using Wordpress for the entire site, and then phpBB for
>     > the forum. They are both a bit bloated (in my opinion again) but the
>     > support for both of them is good, and problems can always be fixed.
>     >
>     > For hosting we're using GleSYS in Falkenberg, Sweden, running a
>     > standard VPS with Debian (we have a good reason...) for
>     23EUR/month. It
>     > really kicks ass over normal hosting like one.com
>     <http://one.com> or the likes.
>     >
>     > Med venlig hilsen Nicky
>     > Admin and so on in DK :-)
>     >
>     >
>     > * Might not be a good idea, but if we have forums for
>     Scandinavia, we
>     >   might as well have for english and maybe Islandic and other
>     "nordic"
>     >   countries.
>     >
>
>     Cheers,
>     Pasi
>
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> Jesper Jarlskov
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