[ubuntu-my] The real question?
pepperlim at 3people.org
Sun Jun 22 07:11:24 BST 2008
Maybe the real question to ask is, what is the future plans of the
Malaysian Ubuntu community to promote Ubuntu and what are the steps to
I'm totally jealous you can contact Mark directly!
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> Today's Topics:
> 1. Shuttleworth wants to make money from Ubuntu (Pepper Lim)
> 2. Re: Shuttleworth wants to make money from Ubuntu (zarul shahrin)
> 3. Re: Shuttleworth wants to make money from Ubuntu (Donald P Kong)
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> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:12:33 +0800
> From: Pepper Lim <pepperlim at 3people.org>
> Subject: [ubuntu-my] Shuttleworth wants to make money from Ubuntu
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> I hope I bring logic and reality to this discussion. In answer to
> Donald's question of how and why Mark Shuttleworth started Ubuntu; the
> short answer is, he wants to give something back after receiving
> something for free. He started his company because he received Debian
> for free and based on Debian, he built and eventually sold his company
> for over $500million. After he completed being a space tourist, he
> pumped in $10million to start Ubuntu and every year he pumps in another
> $10million to keep Ubuntu running. And yes, he has intentions of making
> his money back! Marks says this in many interviews which you can find on
> the Net.
> "Mr Shuttleworth also has a distant intention, somewhere in the future,
> of recouping some of the $10m a year he funnels into Ubuntu, and trying
> to turn it into some kind of profitable business."
> We should follow in the same vein. It takes time and money to get Ubuntu
> to the next level in M'sia. I truly believe we need some funds to get
> Ubuntu to the next level of acceptance. Lets take the example of "fear
> of change". People are typically resistant to change but if we could
> assure new users that there will be adequate support for Ubuntu e.g. a
> phone call or an email, I am sure people will be more convinced to
> install Ubuntu. But who will man the phones and who will answer the
> emails? When I install Ubuntu for my friends, I promise them my tech
> support and it is horrible when they call me at odd hours because they
> can't get a file to open or a movie to run. No matter how tired I am, I
> have to answer their calls and be patient or they will change back to
> On the other hand, if anyone is able to freely give, then that would be
> most awesome!
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>> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:42:02 +0800
>> From: Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my>
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>> i'm pretty sure from Zarul's many replies, he does not intend to carry
>> on leading this group. judging from the members in the group, there
>> doesn't seem to be much to lead anyway as most here are only looking for
>> commercial profits by joining.
>> i also agree with Zarul that elections for a new leader would not be the
>> best. as Zarul started the group and knows many of the members here, i
>> trust he would select, in his opinion, the most capable leader. i for
>> one would not vote.
>> no one can be sure of Mark Shuttleworth's true reasons for creating
>> Ubuntu. from what i can see, he created the foundation to ensure Ubuntu
>> would not run out of funding. does Canonical profit from Ubuntu?
>> the point Zarul is pushing is that Mark did not start with the idea to
>> make money. he wanted to provide a friendly Linux for users based on one
>> of the best Linux distros. he wanted this new distro to be free. nowhere
>> do i see "make money" in those aims before it even started.
>> at KuchingOSC, we promote Ubuntu and open-source at every opportunity.
>> we join fairs and shows. we go to educational institutions. and we don't
>> do all this "to make money". maybe we look silly to do something for
>> nothing but we want to promote FLOSS and get as many users on it. and
>> this is our contribution back to the community that gave us such a
>> wonderful, free product.
>> some people write code for free, some people help others install Linux
>> for free. if someone uses all these tools and contribute nothing back
>> yet plans to make money from it, you can be sure we will not be
>> On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 12:00 +0100, ubuntu-my-request at lists.ubuntu.com
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:33:34 +0800
>>> From: Pepper Lim <pepperlim at 3people.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 18, Issue 8
>>> To: ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com
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>>> This topic thread is getting a "little hot" so I hope everyone will
>>> their cool. We all want what is best for the Linux/Ubuntu community.
>>> I agree with you - elections is a horrible process. But naming a
>>> successor also has its drawbacks. Would anyone like to volunteer to
>>> the group should all efforts to convince Zarul NOT to resign fail?
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