[ubuntu-my] The real question?

zarul shahrin zarulshahrin at ubuntu.com
Mon Jun 23 06:12:55 BST 2008 

On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Pepper Lim <pepperlim at 3people.org> wrote:

>  Maybe the real question to ask is, what is the future plans of the
> Malaysian Ubuntu community to promote Ubuntu and what are the steps to
> achieve it?
>
> Zarul,
> I'm totally jealous you can contact Mark directly!
>
>
  You don't have to be jealous about that, anyone who spent enough time in
the community should know where to find him and talk to him in personally in
real-time. He is still a "hacker" himself, not much of a businessman. The
reason why I don't bother much when people say Mark did this because of this
this this because I had talked to him personally...


Zarul


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>    1.  Shuttleworth wants to make money from Ubuntu (Pepper Lim)
>    2. Re:  Shuttleworth wants to make money from Ubuntu (zarul shahrin)
>    3. Re:  Shuttleworth wants to make money from Ubuntu (Donald P Kong)
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> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:12:33 +0800
> From: Pepper Lim <pepperlim at 3people.org> <pepperlim at 3people.org>
> Subject: [ubuntu-my] Shuttleworth wants to make money from Ubuntu
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> I hope I bring logic and reality to this discussion. In answer to
> Donald's question of how and why Mark Shuttleworth started Ubuntu; the
> short answer is, he wants to give something back after receiving
> something for free. He started his company because he received Debian
> for free and based on Debian, he built and eventually sold his company
> for over $500million. After he completed being a space tourist, he
> pumped in $10million to start Ubuntu and every year he pumps in another
> $10million to keep Ubuntu running. And yes, he has intentions of making
> his money back! Marks says this in many interviews which you can find on
> the Net.
>
> "Mr Shuttleworth also has a distant intention, somewhere in the future,
> of recouping some of the $10m a year he funnels into Ubuntu, and trying
> to turn it into some kind of profitable business."
> (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/07/25/ubuntu_goes_mainstream/)
>
> We should follow in the same vein. It takes time and money to get Ubuntu
> to the next level in M'sia. I truly believe we need some funds to get
> Ubuntu to the next level of acceptance. Lets take the example of "fear
> of change". People are typically resistant to change but if we could
> assure new users that there will be adequate support for Ubuntu e.g. a
> phone call or an email, I am sure people will be more convinced to
> install Ubuntu. But who will man the phones and who will answer the
> emails? When I install Ubuntu for my friends, I promise them my tech
> support and it is horrible when they call me at odd hours because they
> can't get a file to open or a movie to run. No matter how tired I am, I
> have to answer their calls and be patient or they will change back to
> Windows.
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> On the other hand, if anyone is able to freely give, then that would be
> most awesome!
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> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:42:02 +0800
> From: Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my> <dpkong at pc.jaring.my>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 18, Issue 10
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> i'm pretty sure from Zarul's many replies, he does not intend to carry
> on leading this group. judging from the members in the group, there
> doesn't seem to be much to lead anyway as most here are only looking for
> commercial profits by joining.
>
> i also agree with Zarul that elections for a new leader would not be the
> best. as Zarul started the group and knows many of the members here, i
> trust he would select, in his opinion, the most capable leader. i for
> one would not vote.
>
> no one can be sure of Mark Shuttleworth's true reasons for creating
> Ubuntu. from what i can see, he created the foundation to ensure Ubuntu
> would not run out of funding. does Canonical profit from Ubuntu?
>
> the point Zarul is pushing is that Mark did not start with the idea to
> make money. he wanted to provide a friendly Linux for users based on one
> of the best Linux distros. he wanted this new distro to be free. nowhere
> do i see "make money" in those aims before it even started.
>
> at KuchingOSC, we promote Ubuntu and open-source at every opportunity.
> we join fairs and shows. we go to educational institutions. and we don't
> do all this "to make money". maybe we look silly to do something for
> nothing but we want to promote FLOSS and get as many users on it. and
> this is our contribution back to the community that gave us such a
> wonderful, free product.
>
> some people write code for free, some people help others install Linux
> for free. if someone uses all these tools and contribute nothing back
> yet plans to make money from it, you can be sure we will not be
> supportive.
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> On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 12:00 +0100, ubuntu-my-request at lists.ubuntu.com
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>  Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:33:34 +0800
> From: Pepper Lim <pepperlim at 3people.org> <pepperlim at 3people.org>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 18, Issue 8
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> This topic thread is getting a "little hot" so I hope everyone will
> keep
> their cool. We all want what is best for the Linux/Ubuntu community.
>
> Zarul,
> I agree with you - elections is a horrible process. But naming a
> successor also has its drawbacks. Would anyone like to volunteer to
> lead
> the group should all efforts to convince Zarul NOT to resign fail?
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