[ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians
Altaf Jauhar
althelix at gmail.com
Thu Jun 19 19:51:28 BST 2008
Thanx Nicholas and Donald,
What i meant could be translated in any of you words.. no problem as
long as the collaboration/subset/link is there. Btw, putting the focus
on promoting linux on the desktop is a great idea.. :)
cheers to all.
he]ix.
Nicholas Ng wrote:
> Zarul,
>
> Seems like there are still many members that want you to stay. :-) And
> I also believe so that you should stay, although we have talked about
> it personally. Other members such as mypapit, sumardi, e-jat, fenris
> and the rest of the team are doing a great job in keeping the
> community moving (organizing meetups, etc) and we should thanks them
> for that.
>
> The community is started by you and lead by you, and always this is
> the way although sometimes we faced difficulties and have different
> thinking / way of doing things but we can discussed and applied the
> take-and-give approach to settle the issues. I personally hope that
> you remain as the lead and the rest of us will keep it moving,
> although you may be busy with your work and own commitment.
>
> Altaf,
>
> The reason why Ubuntu Malaysia exist is because we want to have a
> dedicated local community for Ubuntu. Ubuntu Malaysia can be a subset
> of the bigger group but as I mentioned it is mainly for Ubuntu Linux
> and not Novell's SUSE or Red Hat or other distro, so it is better to
> stay as a single entity but with good collaboration / link to other
> communities.
>
> Pepper Lim,
>
> Your idea is good where we should generate some income for the
> community (and I hope is not for own purpose) so that we can have more
> funded activities as well as organizing bigger project such as our own
> Malaysia's Ubuntu ShipIt effort. :-P But, I am with Donald and Zarul
> where our ideology on FLOSS is not on business side. I do not against
> your intention and will be supporting your effort to push the adoption
> of Ubuntu to local companies. :-)
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nicholas Ng
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my> wrote:
>
>> Zarul,
>>
>> it is sad to see you go. hopefully, you will re-consider your
>> stand. maybe it would help for you to know that not all in this group
>> are merely opportunists looking to make a buck out of Linux. i hope that
>> would make you remain as the leader.
>>
>> ubuntu-my is not the only list suffering "commercialisation" issues. as
>> i see it, most people join this and any other linux communities to look
>> for opportunities and answers. once they get their answer or see no
>> money to be made, they move on. few are willing to contribute in helping
>> others which is what the FLOSS is all about. in our own local
>> activities, it is nearly impossible to get volunteers to show up.
>>
>> most malaysians see Linux as a big chance to make money since it is in
>> demand and as long as potential customers cannot find alternative
>> sources of assistance, they're locked into one vendor thereby ensuring
>> continued income.
>>
>>
>> Altaf,
>>
>> ubuntu-my is a community of Ubuntu users and would be targeted
>> specifically at ubuntu users. i don't quite understand the suggestion of
>> "working under a bigger malaysian user group". i would believe most of
>> the members here are also members in other general linux groups as well.
>>
>> i agree that Linux users should not be "fighting" Microsoft. instead we
>> should concentrate on promoting the usage of Linux on desktops. the only
>> way that we can effectively do this if we were users ourselves. only
>> then can we know the downside of Linux and how to work around it. then
>> in time, new users will realise how much better Linux is and then make
>> their choice.
>>
>> personally, i am a Debian user but my mother, wife and children's
>> computers/laptops are using Ubuntu. it is a much more "friendlier" and
>> "easier" Linux to promote.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 08:32 +0800, Altaf Jauhar wrote:
>>
>>> ubuntu-my should be working under bigger malaysian user groups such as
>>> MyPenguin99. Alot of users under the group are ubuntu users... splitting
>>> into another group is not good. we need to coperate and team up to
>>> create a larger group. devide and we'll fall. combine and we'll grow.
>>>
>>> ahh... zarul..... you should just continue to be the leader... a person
>>> who started it should be the leader... coz you have the real spirit and
>>> understand the true meaning of creating the group in the first place.
>>>
>>> btw, we should not fight 'microsoft' anymore..... it is more like linux
>>> and microsoft will co-exist whether we like it or not. microsoft have
>>> been doing alot of changes lately... and one of it is to 'accept' linux
>>> and oss. that's why if you see projects like mono have not yet been
>>> 'banned' from the scene.
>>>
>>> honestly, i'm not a fulltime ubuntu nerd.. i'm more of a slackware nerd.
>>> but, i think ubuntu is cool and is the best thing a non-geek can get his
>>> or her hands on - if he/she wants to give linux a try. he'll/she'll be
>>> running linux in no time.. and enjoying it. 1 more thing, it must not
>>> just be ubuntu. it should be including all its variant: kubuntu,
>>> edubuntu, xubuntu.... coz not all ppl will like gnome (i'm a xfce and
>>> kde guy myself).
>>>
>>> ok. thats all for now.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> he]ix.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> zarul shahrin wrote:
>>>
>>>> How sad, I think I am no longer have heart for the community, I am
>>>> proud that I founded the group and built it from zero, well, we might
>>>> not be as active as the group from other countries but getting this
>>>> far is already beyond my expectation. Anyway, this group is getting
>>>> bigger I will let people who are more active like Nicholas, mypapit
>>>> and e-jat to take over the leadership. I want to see the community
>>>> grow, I really want to lead the group , but for the past 1-2 years
>>>> when the group is getting bigger,I realized that I am holding a
>>>> different ideology than many people that make my objective for the
>>>> group is something not relevant. I don't think many people will agree
>>>> with me.
>>>>
>>>> So I think the best way is for me to pass the leadership to others. I
>>>> am sorry that I am failing some of you here, but when I founded the
>>>> group, I wasn't dreaming having a big community and make profit from
>>>> it. I did it because I fell in love of Ubuntu and back then it wasn't
>>>> as famous as now and people contribute as they like, no commitment and
>>>> nobody will force anyone to do anything, it's a free community in a
>>>> free cyber world, but things changed... Nothing is free anymore, the
>>>> community has adopted a businessman way of thinking. Open Source is no
>>>> longer something you do for fun in your free time. It has become a
>>>> business where you need to be fully committed. Well, it's true this
>>>> way of thinking will give you the chance to profit from it. But,
>>>> that's against my belief, the open source religion which I once was a
>>>> devoted follower. Things changed, I don't want to be the barrier to
>>>> anyone with my narrow mindedness.
>>>>
>>>> I am not putting away the principle that I've been upholding, I built
>>>> the group, no matter how bad/suck I am as a leader, I have achieved
>>>> what I wanted, to take it from nothing to where It is now, though some
>>>> might claim that I did nothing. But it's now no longer relevant to
>>>> me... The group is no longer my group , the group is no longer
>>>> carrying the same teaching of a religion that I was once a follower.
>>>>
>>>> I wish the people who will take over the leadership will take care of
>>>> the group well, we might have a different ideology, but I will still
>>>> give my support at least as an ex-follower of the so called free
>>>> software movement, a religion which is no longer valid to me. I wish
>>>> you guys all the best, and I would like to apologize for anything bad
>>>> I have done. I believe you guys will be able to give a new light to
>>>> the group with your style of leadership and I hope that everyone will
>>>> learn something from my mistake as a leader. Nicholas, thank you for
>>>> being with me from day one. I was hoping that you will take over the
>>>> leadership, but I understand that you have your own commitment.
>>>>
>>>> As for the rest of you, thank you for supporting Ubuntu Malaysia and
>>>> for making it where it is now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> p/s: I will send an email out to some of you guys in few days time
>>>> regarding the leadership of the group.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Zarul
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my
>>>> <mailto:dpkong at pc.jaring.my>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> there is no shortage of people trying to make money from
>>>> open-source...
>>>>
>>>> what are your plans? can you not share them here? or are you here to
>>>> scour for ideas and implement them in your own time to your own
>>>> benefit?
>>>>
>>>> we have many groups scattered around Malaysia who are actively
>>>> promoting
>>>> open-source and Ubuntu for free. while monetary returns would be
>>>> desirable, it should not be the main driving factor.
>>>>
>>>> nevertheless, i would be happy to listen to your proposals to
>>>> encourage
>>>> the usage of open-source and Ubuntu.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 16:09 +0800, Pepper Lim wrote:
>>>> > I'm not sure if I'm going about this correctly. I couldn't find the
>>>> > rules for posting at
>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my
>>>> > so forgive me if this posting is inappropriate.
>>>> >
>>>> > I've been thinking of a plan to bring Ubuntu and open source
>>>> software to
>>>> > Malaysians and Malaysian companies. It comprises of a business plan
>>>> > (making money while we have fun kicking Microsoft's butt) and a few
>>>> > other ideas.
>>>> >
>>>> > I would be interested to meet anyone else who would like to
>>>> brainstorm
>>>> > this idea. Please email me at pepperlim at 3people.org
>>>> <mailto:pepperlim at 3people.org> or call me at
>>>> > 012-2951245
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > --
>>>> > Pepper Lim
>>>> > 012-2951245
>>>> > pepperlim at 3people.org <mailto:pepperlim at 3people.org>
>>>> > Pepper's "Lim Family Tree" http://www.3people.org/limfamilytree
>>>> > BBBS Old Boys' Association website http://www.3people.org/bbbssoba
>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>>
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