[ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians

Nicholas Ng nbliang at gmail.com
Thu Jun 19 17:09:55 BST 2008


Seems like there are still many members that want you to stay. :-) And
I also believe so that you should stay, although we have talked about
it personally. Other members such as mypapit, sumardi, e-jat, fenris
and the rest of the team are doing a great job in keeping the
community moving (organizing meetups, etc) and we should thanks them
for that.

The community is started by you and lead by you, and always this is
the way although sometimes we faced difficulties and have different
thinking / way of doing things but we can discussed and applied the
take-and-give approach to settle the issues. I personally hope that
you remain as the lead and the rest of us will keep it moving,
although you may be busy with your work and own commitment.


The reason why Ubuntu Malaysia exist is because we want to have a
dedicated local community for Ubuntu. Ubuntu Malaysia can be a subset
of the bigger group but as I mentioned it is mainly for Ubuntu Linux
and not Novell's SUSE or Red Hat or other distro, so it is better to
stay as a single entity but with good collaboration / link to other

Pepper Lim,

Your idea is good where we should generate some income for the
community (and I hope is not for own purpose) so that we can have more
funded activities as well as organizing bigger project such as our own
Malaysia's Ubuntu ShipIt effort. :-P But, I am with Donald and Zarul
where our ideology on FLOSS is not on business side. I do not against
your intention and will be supporting your effort to push the adoption
of Ubuntu to local companies. :-)


Nicholas Ng

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my> wrote:
> Zarul,
> it is sad to see you go. hopefully, you will re-consider your
> stand. maybe it would help for you to know that not all in this group
> are merely opportunists looking to make a buck out of Linux. i hope that
> would make you remain as the leader.
> ubuntu-my is not the only list suffering "commercialisation" issues. as
> i see it, most people join this and any other linux communities to look
> for opportunities and answers. once they get their answer or see no
> money to be made, they move on. few are willing to contribute in helping
> others which is what the FLOSS is all about. in our own local
> activities, it is nearly impossible to get volunteers to show up.
> most malaysians see Linux as a big chance to make money since it is in
> demand and as long as potential customers cannot find alternative
> sources of assistance, they're locked into one vendor thereby ensuring
> continued income.
> Altaf,
> ubuntu-my is a community of Ubuntu users and would be targeted
> specifically at ubuntu users. i don't quite understand the suggestion of
> "working under a bigger malaysian user group". i would believe most of
> the members here are also members in other general linux groups as well.
> i agree that Linux users should not be "fighting" Microsoft. instead we
> should concentrate on promoting the usage of Linux on desktops. the only
> way that we can effectively do this if we were users ourselves. only
> then can we know the downside of Linux and how to work around it. then
> in time, new users will realise how much better Linux is and then make
> their choice.
> personally, i am a Debian user but my mother, wife and children's
> computers/laptops are using Ubuntu. it is a much more "friendlier" and
> "easier" Linux to promote.
> On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 08:32 +0800, Altaf Jauhar wrote:
>> ubuntu-my should be working under bigger malaysian user groups such as
>> MyPenguin99. Alot of users under the group are ubuntu users... splitting
>> into another group is not good. we need to coperate and team up to
>> create a larger group. devide and we'll fall. combine and we'll grow.
>> ahh... zarul..... you should just continue to be the leader... a person
>> who started it should be the leader... coz you have the real spirit and
>> understand the true meaning of creating the group in the first place.
>> btw, we should not fight 'microsoft' anymore..... it is more like linux
>> and microsoft will co-exist whether we like it or not. microsoft have
>> been doing alot of changes lately... and one of it is to 'accept' linux
>> and oss. that's why if you see projects like mono have not yet been
>> 'banned' from the scene.
>> honestly, i'm not a fulltime ubuntu nerd.. i'm more of a slackware nerd.
>> but, i think ubuntu is cool and is the best thing a non-geek can get his
>> or her hands on - if he/she wants to give linux a try. he'll/she'll be
>> running linux in no time.. and enjoying it. 1 more thing, it must not
>> just be ubuntu. it should be including all its variant: kubuntu,
>> edubuntu, xubuntu.... coz not all ppl will like gnome (i'm a xfce and
>> kde guy myself).
>> ok. thats all for now.
>> regards,
>> he]ix.
>> zarul shahrin wrote:
>> > How sad, I think I am no longer have heart for the community, I am
>> > proud that I founded the group and built it from zero, well, we might
>> > not be as active as the group from other countries but getting this
>> > far is already beyond my expectation. Anyway, this group is getting
>> > bigger I will let people who are more active like  Nicholas, mypapit
>> > and e-jat to take over the leadership. I want to see the community
>> > grow, I really want to lead the group , but for the past 1-2 years
>> > when the group is getting bigger,I realized that I am holding a
>> > different ideology than many people that make my objective for the
>> > group is something not relevant. I don't think many people will agree
>> > with me.
>> >
>> > So I think the best way is for me to pass the leadership to others. I
>> > am sorry that I am failing some of you here, but when I founded the
>> > group, I wasn't dreaming having a big community and make profit from
>> > it. I did it because I fell in love of Ubuntu and back then it wasn't
>> > as famous as now and people contribute as they like, no commitment and
>> > nobody will force anyone to do anything, it's a free community in a
>> > free cyber world, but things changed... Nothing is free anymore, the
>> > community has adopted a businessman way of thinking. Open Source is no
>> > longer something you do for fun in your free time. It has become a
>> > business where you need to be fully committed. Well, it's true this
>> > way of thinking will give you the chance to profit from it. But,
>> > that's against my belief, the open source religion which I once was a
>> > devoted follower. Things changed, I don't want to be the barrier to
>> > anyone with my narrow mindedness.
>> >
>> > I am not putting away the principle that I've been upholding, I built
>> > the group, no matter how bad/suck I am as a leader, I have achieved
>> > what I wanted, to take it from nothing to where It is now, though some
>> > might claim that I did nothing. But it's now no longer relevant to
>> > me... The group is no longer my group , the group is no longer
>> > carrying the same teaching of a religion that I was once a follower.
>> >
>> > I wish the people who will take over the leadership will take care of
>> > the group well, we might have a different ideology, but I will still
>> > give my support at least as an ex-follower of the so called free
>> > software movement, a religion which is no longer valid to me. I wish
>> > you guys all the best, and I would like to apologize for anything bad
>> > I have done. I believe you guys will be able to give a new light to
>> > the group with your style of leadership and I hope that everyone will
>> > learn something from my mistake as a leader. Nicholas, thank you for
>> > being with me from day one. I was hoping that you will take over the
>> > leadership, but I understand that you have your own commitment.
>> >
>> > As for the rest of you, thank you for supporting Ubuntu Malaysia and
>> > for making it where it is now.
>> >
>> >
>> > p/s: I will send an email out to some of you guys in few days time
>> > regarding the leadership of the group.
>> >
>> >
>> > Zarul
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Donald P Kong <dpkong at pc.jaring.my
>> > <mailto:dpkong at pc.jaring.my>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     there is no shortage of people trying to make money from
>> >     open-source...
>> >
>> >     what are your plans? can you not share them here? or are you here to
>> >     scour for ideas and implement them in your own time to your own
>> >     benefit?
>> >
>> >     we have many groups scattered around Malaysia who are actively
>> >     promoting
>> >     open-source and Ubuntu for free. while monetary returns would be
>> >     desirable, it should not be the main driving factor.
>> >
>> >     nevertheless, i would be happy to listen to your proposals to
>> >     encourage
>> >     the usage of open-source and Ubuntu.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 16:09 +0800, Pepper Lim wrote:
>> >     > I'm not sure if I'm going about this correctly. I couldn't find the
>> >     > rules for posting at
>> >     https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-my
>> >     > so forgive me if this posting is inappropriate.
>> >     >
>> >     > I've been thinking of a plan to bring Ubuntu and open source
>> >     software to
>> >     > Malaysians and Malaysian companies. It comprises of a business plan
>> >     > (making money while we have fun kicking Microsoft's butt) and a few
>> >     > other ideas.
>> >     >
>> >     > I would be interested to meet anyone else who would like to
>> >     brainstorm
>> >     > this idea. Please email me at pepperlim at 3people.org
>> >     <mailto:pepperlim at 3people.org> or call me at
>> >     > 012-2951245
>> >     >
>> >     > --
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>> >     > Pepper's "Lim Family Tree" http://www.3people.org/limfamilytree
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>> >     >
>> >     >
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