[Bug 269656] Please respect the Ubuntu code of conduct

Tim Post echo at echoreply.us
Wed Sep 17 15:16:22 UTC 2008

On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 14:35 +0000, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
> Tim Post wrote:
> > Sorry folks, I'm done promoting Ubuntu. The lack of response from Ubuntu
> > tells all, barring a few emails from Mark asking us to STFU.
> >
> > Redhat negotiated the first patent deal that is agreeable with GPL3,
> > what has Ubuntu done other than tweak the work of others  (i.e Debian) ?
> >
> > Good luck Mark..
> >   
> Tim, all of the distributions face this question with Mozilla, and
> Ubuntu is directly involved in the design of a positive resolution. If
> it were not for our active engagement with Mozilla,  I assure you the
> outcome would have been much less palatable even than this current state.

I suggest that the software in the main repository is either free, or it
is not. Free means:

0 - The freedom to run the program, for any purpose
1 - The freedom to study how the program works and adapt it to your
2 - The freedom to redistribute copies so that you can help your
3 - The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to
the public so that the whole community benefits.

The EULA impedes freedom 3. By using Firefox, users of free software are
forced to give up freedom 3 by agreeing that their improvements are
subject to laws that might not apply to them. Furthermore, those who do
not speak English fluently may give up this right, which we have worked
since 1984 to guarantee, unwittingly.

Lets get past that point first.

> Resolutions to this sort of debate never come from abusive commentary.
> They just NEVER do. Venting and insulting someone else may make you feel
> immediately better, but so does relieving yourself on your own doorstep.
> For good reason, I would ask you use the privy ;-) We have a code of
> conduct in Ubuntu precisely because we know that many of these issues
> touch on deeply held beliefs. Those discussions are hard enough as it is
> - they become impossible when people publicly insult one another. Please
> respect and follow the code of conduct here:
>   http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct

Respect it? I live it. I live in self imposed poverty in the poorest
country in south east Asia by choice. I teach people how to use free
software to better themselves and their income. I make $0 from this
endeavor. Until yesterday, Ubuntu was my model.

Aside from that, I really __do__ appreciate what your trying to do and
vehemently despise the fact that I am forced to become antagonistic.
However, please, do not question my conduct in the future. My points are

I can also be quoted as saying (on this very bug) "Lets see what
happens". Your apathy in communicating is not a reflection of my


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