IRC Council Election Voter Eligibility

Tue Apr 5 04:51:21 UTC 2016

can you please take me off all of the ubuntu email lists.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Neal Bussett <neal at bussett.com> wrote:

> Hi folks.
>
> Disclaimer: This email is essentially a summary of a discussion the IRCC
> had within the past 30 hours since this issue came up, but it is merely
> my opinion of the IRCCs position.  I don't *think* any parts of it are
> controversial amongst the IRCC, but I am not speaking officially on its
> behalf.
>
> > On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
> > > Hi folks, I've written to Neal privately, because I didn't yet get a
> > > ballot. It turns out that I didn't get a ballot because I'm not on the
> > > lp team https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-members. This seems to be a
> > > closed team; there is no "join this team" button on the lp page.
> > > However, there is a link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Membership --
> > > and this page, which offers Ubuntu Membership through IRC work, seems
> > > to be the only way to join the Ubuntu IRC Team. Is this so?
>
> The "Ubuntu IRC Members" Team consists of people who satisfy the
> following criteria:
> 1) Ubuntu (the project) membership
> 2) Interest/Activity/Presence in IRC
>
> (When I use "Ubuntu" throughout this email, I'm referring to the
> project, not the flavor)
>
> The link for "membership process" is mostly relevant to people who
> satisfy neither of those conditions (and are going through the IRCC to
> obtain Membership).
>
> Technically, the same process would be used for people who are already
> Members (through any means) and wish to be added to the Ubuntu IRC
> Members team (to formally participate in the IRC Community, i.e. IRCC
> votes).  This a much lower barrier and, in practice, is likely a
> rubber-stamp process.
>
>
> Note: We also have the "Ubuntu IRC Team" team, which is where operators
> are added (through a variety of other teams).  Operators need not be
> members, so the distinction between these two teams is relevant.
>
> On Mon, Apr 04, 2016 at 06:43:22PM -0700, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote:
> > All of us have had to apply to be part of the IRC membership, even if
> > we're Ubuntu Members through other processes already. Just like
> > someone would to become a Kubuntu member or member via the Forums,
> > they all have their own additional processes, even if you're already
> > an Ubuntu member. I'm sure with your background you'd have no problem
> > applying and being added.
>
> I agree.  I spoke with Valorie for a while yesterday when she brought up
> not receiving a ballot.  And I assured her that I would not close the
> ballot until she a) was deemed eligible to vote (and given a chance to)
> or b) was deemed ineligible.
>
>
> We had a discussion amongst the IRCC and first came to the conclusion
> that she should not be added as a voter to this election (there was
> discomfort with adding voters mid-election), but that we had no problem
> adding her to the team "immediately" (as she satisfies the two criteria
> listed above).
>
> The requirement for being a part of the "Ubuntu IRC Members Team" was
> announced during the call for nominations[1]:
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 12:17:28AM -0800, Melissa Draper wrote:
> > * The shortlist identified by the Community Council will be voted upon
> > by team members as described at CommunityCouncil/Delegation. Members
> > of the Ubuntu IRC Members Team are eligible to vote.
>
> and it was felt that this was sufficient notice to not warrant an
> exception (adding voters mid-election).
>
> It appears that when sending out the ballots[2] I misspoke about the
> team name ("Ubuntu IRC Team").  However by this point, "no new
> voters mid-election" made the error functionally moot (save the
> potential for confusion).
>
> Since the urgent question (whether she should be added to the current
> IRCC election) was answered, we didn't completely finish our discussion.
> That said, I believe that there won't be major mechanical changes to the
> two overall groups.  There will, however, likely be some documentation
> changes to how we present information on the wiki/launchpad description
> and in our future calls-for-nominations.
>
> As a slight aside, I've heard rumblings of an possible overhaul for the
> groups-of-groups-of-groups that is the current Ubuntu IRC Team LP
> composition, so maybe there will be some changes coming to that anyway.
> I'm sure any potential overhaul will be discussed loudly before anything
> is put into practice.
>
> We also deferred a discussion of whether there would be anything of
> substance to the process for current members to join the Ubuntu IRC
> Members Team, or if it would be a purely mechanical exercise.  I know
> we'll revisit this.
>
> Once again, this is my personal opinion (of what some of the IRCC briefly
> discussed).  I invite the other members of the IRCC to flog me publicly
> or berate me privately if I've misconstrued anything.
>
> Regards,
> Neal
>
> [1]: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2016-January/001834.html
> [2]: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2016-March/001844.html
>
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