complain about petty dictator op on freenode

Jeffrey Flaker jflaker at
Sun Jan 11 19:18:07 UTC 2015

Also, remember that impatience or sarcasm doesn't always translate into
a text conversation.   Sarcasm that didn't translate well has been known
to start flame wars

On 01/11/2015 12:32 PM, Seb Lemery wrote:
> I don't know of if you are NTZ or not but. They way this user expected
> support to be given was rude enough to be removed from the channel. Go
> for a walk,  relax and be patient.  The tone used,  and especially
> when the question was pasted again right before the mode was applied.
> I would have muted you before that.
> On Jan 11, 2015 12:30 PM, "Joseph Price" <pricechild at
> <mailto:pricechild at>> wrote:
>     I'd argue it stops being a personal issue when channel access is
>     used to remove someone from the channel... I figure it's perfectly
>     reasonable to complain/contest this decision? I'm sad if others
>     don't agree.
>     Oh and while I'm at it, I don't buy the whole "ops aren't paid"
>     statements... it shouldn't be used as justification - if someone
>     doesn't want to deal with something, they can decline to get involved.
>     On 11 January 2015 at 17:04, Seb Lemery <seblemery at
>     <mailto:seblemery at>> wrote:
>         You need to take your issues to him,  it looks like a personal
>         issue. Ops are not paid.  They don't "have"  to give out
>         anything. NTZ looks like he was expecting something like a kid
>         expects dinner.  #ubuntu is not a place to expect answers but
>         guidance, you have to go and read the docs.
>         On Jan 11, 2015 11:16 AM, "indigo196"
>         <indigo196 at
>         <mailto:indigo196 at>> wrote:
>             On Sun, 2015-01-11 at 02:35 -0500, Seb Lemery wrote:
>             > Not everyone is an official member. You need to be
>             patient. Someone
>             > else will help later.
>             >
>             I agree with the need to be patient.
>             I also understand that a new user unfamiliar with IRC will not
>             understand not getting help when there is a 'large number'
>             of people in
>             the room. I am not sure how to best communicate some of
>             the nuances of
>             IRC, but it is an area that could be improved.
>             In the particular case we are discussing the user asking
>             for help was
>             not the most polite, but neither was at least one person
>             who was
>             refusing help. This was not a case of not getting an
>             answer, but a case
>             of rather rudely being told to go help themselves. It is a
>             response that
>             aligns with RTFM and not the Ubuntu Community's desire to
>             be helpful to
>             new users.
>             After sleeping on the issue I am most concerned with the
>             following:
>              - overall rude tone from the person responding to the
>             request for help.
>              - repeated "that won't fix your problem" responses, but
>             no effort to
>             offer an actual solution.
>             I don't think either person was in the right in that
>             conversation. Did
>             the operator talk privately with ntz?
>             Charles
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