complain about petty dictator op on freenode
Jeffrey Flaker
jflaker at gmail.com
Sun Jan 11 19:18:07 UTC 2015
Also, remember that impatience or sarcasm doesn't always translate into
a text conversation. Sarcasm that didn't translate well has been known
to start flame wars
On 01/11/2015 12:32 PM, Seb Lemery wrote:
>
> I don't know of if you are NTZ or not but. They way this user expected
> support to be given was rude enough to be removed from the channel. Go
> for a walk, relax and be patient. The tone used, and especially
> when the question was pasted again right before the mode was applied.
> I would have muted you before that.
>
> On Jan 11, 2015 12:30 PM, "Joseph Price" <pricechild at gmail.com
> <mailto:pricechild at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I'd argue it stops being a personal issue when channel access is
> used to remove someone from the channel... I figure it's perfectly
> reasonable to complain/contest this decision? I'm sad if others
> don't agree.
>
> Oh and while I'm at it, I don't buy the whole "ops aren't paid"
> statements... it shouldn't be used as justification - if someone
> doesn't want to deal with something, they can decline to get involved.
>
> On 11 January 2015 at 17:04, Seb Lemery <seblemery at gmail.com
> <mailto:seblemery at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> You need to take your issues to him, it looks like a personal
> issue. Ops are not paid. They don't "have" to give out
> anything. NTZ looks like he was expecting something like a kid
> expects dinner. #ubuntu is not a place to expect answers but
> guidance, you have to go and read the docs.
>
> On Jan 11, 2015 11:16 AM, "indigo196"
> <indigo196 at rochester.rr.com
> <mailto:indigo196 at rochester.rr.com>> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2015-01-11 at 02:35 -0500, Seb Lemery wrote:
> > Not everyone is an official member. You need to be
> patient. Someone
> > else will help later.
> >
> I agree with the need to be patient.
>
> I also understand that a new user unfamiliar with IRC will not
> understand not getting help when there is a 'large number'
> of people in
> the room. I am not sure how to best communicate some of
> the nuances of
> IRC, but it is an area that could be improved.
>
> In the particular case we are discussing the user asking
> for help was
> not the most polite, but neither was at least one person
> who was
> refusing help. This was not a case of not getting an
> answer, but a case
> of rather rudely being told to go help themselves. It is a
> response that
> aligns with RTFM and not the Ubuntu Community's desire to
> be helpful to
> new users.
>
> After sleeping on the issue I am most concerned with the
> following:
>
> - overall rude tone from the person responding to the
> request for help.
> - repeated "that won't fix your problem" responses, but
> no effort to
> offer an actual solution.
>
> I don't think either person was in the right in that
> conversation. Did
> the operator talk privately with ntz?
>
> Charles
>
>
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