Banned Words (Was: RFC: #ubuntu op misuse or not?)

[Carl Karsten]

I don't think (at least I hope not) that the d-word is off limits.

I have no problem with people discussing the bdfl concept:
Benevolent Dictator for Life. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bdfl
Both Debian and Python have them and the communities would suffer without.

> concerned about policies being enforced inconsistently

Each time a policy is enforced it is a unique event.  (at least the events
we should be conferenced with.   a spam bot that gets banned over and over
is not what this is about.)

There will always be differences.  I am less concerned with consistently
across events and more with people being treated decently.   This gets
tricky when someone sees a user be disruptive for a longer time and thinks
that they should be allowed to be equally disruptive.

We could expand the CoC and guidelines and documented polices ten fold to
better define more of the cases an op may have to contend with.  This would
help make things more consistent, but I don't think it wold make a
noticeable difference in the experience one fines in the ubuntu #channels.
It would however make it more time consuming to be an op, and would likely
lead to burnout, meta arguments and such.  So lets not do that.

PS, I think the current documentation is about right.  I refer others to it
as an example of something that works, like when PyCon started writing up a
CoC for the event, and a few days ago #openhatch has started developing
their version.  So whoever has contributed, well done.  I suspect you have
helped 1000's of users have a nicer experience in #ubuntu.
/me tips hat to the past.



On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Joseph Price <pricechild at ubuntu.com>wrote:

> Good Afternoon Carl & thanks for your email.
>
> While you raise many good points, as an Ubuntu op with access in a large
> amount of channels I'm extremely concerned about policies being enforced
> inconsistently. It's been made pretty clear that the d-word is totally off
> limits in some people's opinion.
>
> It is imperative that we make this policy transparent and communicate it
> clearly to our users using a seamless, holistic approach. For example, is
> the t-word also unacceptable⸮
>
> What about abbreviations and obfuscation⸮ Is using 'd-word' acceptable⸮
> How about 'd*ctator'⸮ Has there bean a CC resolution around force-renaming
> the sab*fl⸮
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pricey
>
>
> On 19 May 2014 16:10, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>
>> "Please be considerate of everyone and keep all the Ubuntu IRC channels
>> friendly places for everyone. This means that you should avoid any language
>> which may be considered offensive, including acronyms and obfuscation of
>> such language."
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
>>
>> You could argue that the words do not always bla bla bla and you would be
>> wrong ;)
>>
>> I think what is important is the meaning, which is not easy to define, so
>> "keep ... friendly places" is good enough.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:25 AM, José Antonio Rey <jose at ubuntu.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I think common sense about what words to use/not to use is fine. Also,
>>> it is widely known to not discuss topics about politics/religion as they
>>> may be sensitive (like in this case)
>>>
>>> On 05/19/2014 09:23 AM, Joseph Price wrote:
>>> > On 17 May 2014 07:58, Valorie Zimmerman <valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com
>>> > <mailto:valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >     On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Rohan Dhruva <
>>> rohandhruva at gmail.com
>>> >     <mailto:rohandhruva at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >     > * ops basing ban decisions based on personal prejudice (e.g.
>>> towards
>>> >     > words like blitzkrieg and dictator, drawing conclusions of World
>>> War
>>> >     > II and Hitler)
>>> >
>>> >     Such language is not welcome in an *buntu space. In fact, it is not
>>> >     welcome anywhere on the Internet, IMO.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Good Afternoon Valorie,
>>> >
>>> > Is there a link to the banned words list anywhere? Or is a bot
>>> enforcing
>>> > it? I can't see any documentation.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Pricey
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
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