<div dir="ltr">I don't think (at least I hope not) that the d-word is off limits. <br><br>I have no problem with people discussing the bdfl concept:<br>
Benevolent Dictator for Life.
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bdfl">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bdfl</a><br><div class="gmail_extra"></div><div class="gmail_extra">Both Debian and Python have them and the communities would suffer without.<br><br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra">> concerned about policies being enforced inconsistently<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Each time a policy is enforced it is a unique event. (at least the events we should be conferenced with. a spam bot that gets banned over and over is not what this is about.)<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">There will always be differences. I am less concerned with consistently across events and more with people being treated decently. This gets tricky when someone sees a user be disruptive for a longer time and thinks that they should be allowed to be equally disruptive. <br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">We could expand the CoC and guidelines and documented polices ten fold to better define more of the cases an op may have to contend with. This would help make things more consistent, but I don't think it wold make a noticeable difference in the experience one fines in the ubuntu #channels. It would however make it more time consuming to be an op, and would likely lead to burnout, meta arguments and such. So lets not do that.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">PS, I think the current documentation is about right. I refer others to it as an example of something that works, like when PyCon started writing up a CoC for the event, and a few days ago #openhatch has started developing their version. So whoever has contributed, well done. I suspect you have helped 1000's of users have a nicer experience in #ubuntu.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra">/me tips hat to the past.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Joseph Price <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pricechild@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">pricechild@ubuntu.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Good Afternoon Carl & thanks for your email.<br><br></div>While you raise many good points, as an Ubuntu op with access in a large amount of channels I'm extremely concerned about policies being enforced inconsistently. It's been made pretty clear that the d-word is totally off limits in some people's opinion.<br>
<br></div>It is imperative that we make this policy transparent and communicate it clearly to our users using a seamless, holistic approach. For example, is the t-word also unacceptable⸮<br><br></div><div>What about abbreviations and obfuscation⸮ Is using 'd-word' acceptable⸮ How about 'd*ctator'⸮ Has there bean a CC resolution around force-renaming the sab*fl⸮<br>
<br>Thanks,<br></div><div><br></div>Pricey<div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 May 2014 16:10, Carl Karsten <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carl@personnelware.com" target="_blank">carl@personnelware.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>"Please be considerate of everyone and keep all the Ubuntu IRC channels
friendly places for everyone. This means that you should avoid any
language which may be considered offensive, including acronyms and
obfuscation of such language."<br><br><a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines</a><br><br></div>You could argue that the words do not always bla bla bla and you would be wrong ;)<br>
<br></div>I think what is important is the meaning, which is not easy to define, so "keep ...
friendly places" is good enough.<br><div><br><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:25 AM, José Antonio Rey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jose@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">jose@ubuntu.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I think common sense about what words to use/not to use is fine. Also,<br>
it is widely known to not discuss topics about politics/religion as they<br>
may be sensitive (like in this case)<br>
<div><br>
On 05/19/2014 09:23 AM, Joseph Price wrote:<br>
> On 17 May 2014 07:58, Valorie Zimmerman <<a href="mailto:valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com" target="_blank">valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com</a><br>
</div><div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com" target="_blank">valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Rohan Dhruva <<a href="mailto:rohandhruva@gmail.com" target="_blank">rohandhruva@gmail.com</a><br>
</div><div><div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rohandhruva@gmail.com" target="_blank">rohandhruva@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
> > * ops basing ban decisions based on personal prejudice (e.g. towards<br>
> > words like blitzkrieg and dictator, drawing conclusions of World War<br>
> > II and Hitler)<br>
><br>
> Such language is not welcome in an *buntu space. In fact, it is not<br>
> welcome anywhere on the Internet, IMO.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Good Afternoon Valorie,<br>
><br>
> Is there a link to the banned words list anywhere? Or is a bot enforcing<br>
> it? I can't see any documentation.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Pricey<br>
><br>
><br>
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