Defining the core channels

[Robert Wall]

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On 03/16/2010 03:15 PM, Michael Lustfield wrote:
>> Why not? the core channels would be official channels where official
>> Ubuntu community business is conducted. Channels such as #ubuntu
>> ( already logged ) do have many user who read the logs for whatever
>> reason.
> 
> I always thought public logs in these channels helped because the users
> and ops knew that a dispute could be resolved by somebody else looking
> at the logs - as opposed to "he said, she said." I know better now.
> Either way, I think the logging is a good idea.

Plenty of ops (and the bantracker itself, in some cases) have logs of
the core channels. I can't think of a time that there's been a dispute
over whether an op was lying about what a user said. Since there are at
least two IRC Council members in #ubuntu-offtopic (for example) right
now, I don't think such an argument would get very far :)

>> channels like -offtopic don't need to be logged because they are social
>> channels and as such not much official business is conducted in them if
>> any.
> 
> I always thought this channel wasn't logged because of the utter crap
> that spews form it. Heck, public logging is prohibited for this reason
> afaik.

Since it appears from my logs that you visit #ubuntu-offtopic
occasionally, and have asked for and received help from there on more
than one occasion, your characterization of it as "utter crap" is
perhaps uncalled for.

The reason (according to ops that I've asked about this) that it and
other offtopic channels aren't logged is because it's a social channel,
and thus informal, and taking social discussions and archiving them
forever on a public website indexed by search engines would be odd and
unnecessary.

Compare that to #ubuntu, where conversations are (generally) more formal
in nature, and someone searching on a search engine for the answer to a
problem could theoretically find it in channel logs.

Anyway. I don't personally think that stipulating that core channels
must be logged is a good idea, especially considering that several
current core channels aren't, so it obviously wasn't part of the
existing informal selection criteria.

~ rww

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