Ubuntu IRC Dispute - Sent to you as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess

[Bobby Coop]

Ugh.  My apologies for going back on what I said earlier, list.  I was
just talking someone through fixing their X server this morning (as
usual, instead of doing work that I should be ;) ), and I was banned
again.  This is borderline personal vendetta at this point, and it's
very worrisome.

I am not and was not 'ban avoiding', my ban was lifted by naolith, according to 

https://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/bans.cgi?query=%25*%21*%40c-71-236-54-213.hsd1.tn.comcast.net&kicks=on&oldbans=on&bans=on&oldmutes=on&mutes=on

I am not and was not lying, readers can look at the logs to verify this for themselves.

I've never had any conflict with an operator before now, and I do not understand how this has gotten so far out of hand.

Please, someone else get involved here, this is very discouraging.

Bobby Coop


On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 13:31 +0200, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote:
> > > I'm sorry that it took longer than 10 minutes to respond, but a little
> > > patience never hurt anyone.
> > > 
> > For the record, you never responded via PM during this whole incident.
> 
> Because it was being discussed in the ops channel
> 
> > > I did not ban you, I muted you because you were lying.
> > The fact that I was not kicked does not change the fact that I _was_
> > banned. 
> 
> Again, you were muted, not banned.
> 
> > I was discussing the situation in the channel designated as the
> > channel for solving a dispute between a community member and an IRC
> > operator.  If you thought my description (which I was muted in the
> > middle of giving and literally was not able to finish typing the second
> > sentence of before I was banned/muted) was factually incorrect, the
> > appropriate response would be to shed light on the situation as to what
> > actually did happen via discussion and reference to the logs of the
> > incident.  When a person feels that they have been wronged by an IRC
> > operator and is trying to get other operators involved (as I was trying
> > to do at that time, I had moved past just talking to you),
> > banning/silencing that person _in the channel designated for dispute
> > resolution_ is NOT appropriate.  Or mature.  That sort of behavior is
> > very harmful to this community.
> 
> It is more harmful that despite me explaining why you were banned
> several times and no other op being present/active to listen to you, you
> still continue to be stubborn and demand to be unbanned.
> 
> When people start lying about their actions, such as you insisting that
> the incident in #ubuntu is not related to your misbehaviour in
> #ubuntu-offtopic, a mute is no more than appropriate since no
> constructive solution can be found if someone is lying.
> 
> > >From https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/OperatorGuidelines (emphasis mine)
> > - 
> > -- Snip --
> > Don't use ignore 
> > 
> >       * Even when people are very offensive to you in private chat,
> >         don't use your /ignore function. __You gave up that privilege
> >         when you opted to accept the position.__
> > ----------
> 
> I did not and do not ignore you.