[ubuntu-in] DVD not mounting on Gutsy
Mir Nazim
mirnazim at gmail.com
Sat Apr 5 08:02:57 BST 2008
Guys, I think we are deviating from the topic.
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Onkar Shinde <onkarshinde at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 3:05 AM, Kingsly John <member+ubuntu at kingsly.net> wrote:
> > +++ Onkar Shinde [2008-04-05 02:05:09]:
> >
> >
> > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Vivek Khurana <hiddenharmony at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Mir Nazim <mirnazim at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Hello all
> > > > >
> > > > > I am completely unable to mount the movie DVD on gutsy.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was working earlier but then did not watch any movie for quite some.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some quick search Google/Ubuntu Forums tell me that updates are
> > > > > culprits. I verified on an un-updated system and DVD mounts easily.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any ideas what could wrog.
> > > >
> > > > Looks like ubuntu QA is the culprit again...
> > >
> > > I would like 'Ubuntu QA' not being blamed for following reasons
> > > 1. Ubuntu QA is not a well defined team. It includes almost anyone who
> > > does packaging, bug reporting/triaging/fixing and anyone who
> > > uses/tests Ubuntu.
> >
> > No it doesn't include so many people... there is a specific package
> > maintainer who has responsibility for a package.. and at the very least
> > should check if something basic like starting mailman or inserting an optical
> > disc has the expected result.
>
> We are not sure if the problem is faced here (related to DVD) is by
> everyone or just few users who have specific hardware. So we can't not
> say directly that package maintainer didn't test the package before
> upgrade.
>
>
> > > 3. More often than not the hardware problems that come in the form of
> > > regressions are side effects of supposedly harmless change or
> > > security/bug fix that someone did.
> >
> > No, regressions have little to do with hardware... the hardware is a
> > constant.. it's the code that is the problem.
>
> Yes, hardware is constant on your machine. But it is variable between
> your machine and package maintainers machine. So even if it is broken
> for you, it may not be for him.
>
>
> > > 4. It is my firm belief that all of the core developers in Ubuntu who
> > > have power to crash your systems through the way of broken packages,
> > > take very much care not to let it happen. But it is many times not
> > > possible to test all the scenarios which might introduce regressions.
> >
> > Murphy will ensure that regressions can and will continue to happen .. but
> > they should not happen for such basic functionality.
> >
> > And there is no reason to justify such regressions.
> >
> > What next justify the security issues on Windows because MS Employees are
> > human too ?
> >
> > Kingsly
> >
> > PS: I have no idea if the DVD is issue is a regression or not ... I just don't
> > think trying to justify it is the right attitude.
>
> The case we are discussion here is a regression. It happened on gutsy
> when some updates were installed.
> No. I am not trying to justify the regressions. I remember some bugs
> in launchpad where people were not able to boot their hardy
> installations when they were having some specific type of hard drives.
> The problem was that some old driver got disabled in favor of new
> driver and it was causing unbootable machines for a small percentage
> of users.
> So I believe that issues like this which are related to hardware are
> most of the times corner cases.
>
> And i specifically wanted to present objection to the sentence 'Ubuntu
> QA is culprit'.
>
> I hope I have properly explained what I wanted to say.
>
>
>
> Onkar
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