[ubuntu-in] DVD not mounting on Gutsy

[Mir Nazim]

Guys, I think we are deviating from the topic.


On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Onkar Shinde <onkarshinde at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 3:05 AM, Kingsly John <member+ubuntu at kingsly.net> wrote:
>  > +++ Onkar Shinde [2008-04-05 02:05:09]:
>  >
>  >
>  >  > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Vivek Khurana <hiddenharmony at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >  > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Mir Nazim <mirnazim at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >  > >  > Hello all
>  >  > >  >
>  >  > >  >  I am completely unable to mount the movie DVD on gutsy.
>  >  > >  >
>  >  > >  >  I was working earlier but then did not watch any movie for quite some.
>  >  > >  >
>  >  > >  >  Some quick search Google/Ubuntu Forums tell me that updates are
>  >  > >  >  culprits. I verified on an un-updated system and DVD mounts easily.
>  >  > >  >
>  >  > >  >  Any ideas what could wrog.
>  >  > >
>  >  > >   Looks like ubuntu QA is the culprit again...
>  >  >
>  >  > I would like 'Ubuntu QA' not being blamed for following reasons
>  >  > 1. Ubuntu QA is not a well defined team. It includes almost anyone who
>  >  > does packaging, bug reporting/triaging/fixing and anyone who
>  >  > uses/tests Ubuntu.
>  >
>  >  No it doesn't include so many people... there is a specific package
>  >  maintainer who has responsibility for a package.. and at the very least
>  >  should check if something basic like starting mailman or inserting an optical
>  >  disc has the expected result.
>
>  We are not sure if the problem is faced here (related to DVD) is by
>  everyone or just few users who have specific hardware. So we can't not
>  say directly that package maintainer didn't test the package before
>  upgrade.
>
>
>  >  > 3. More often than not the hardware problems that come in the form of
>  >  > regressions are side effects of supposedly harmless change or
>  >  > security/bug fix that someone did.
>  >
>  >  No, regressions have little to do with hardware... the hardware is a
>  >  constant.. it's the code that is the problem.
>
>  Yes, hardware is constant on your machine. But it is variable between
>  your machine and package maintainers machine. So even if it is broken
>  for you, it may not be for him.
>
>
>  >  > 4. It is my firm belief that all of the core developers in Ubuntu who
>  >  > have power to crash your systems through the way of broken packages,
>  >  > take very much care not to let it happen. But it is many times not
>  >  > possible to test all the scenarios which might introduce regressions.
>  >
>  >  Murphy will ensure that regressions can and will continue to happen .. but
>  >  they should not happen for such basic functionality.
>  >
>  >  And there is no reason to justify such regressions.
>  >
>  >  What next justify the security issues on Windows because MS Employees are
>  >  human too ?
>  >
>  >  Kingsly
>  >
>  >  PS: I have no idea if the DVD is issue is a regression or not ... I just don't
>  >  think trying to justify it is the right attitude.
>
>  The case we are discussion here is a regression. It happened on gutsy
>  when some updates were installed.
>  No. I am not trying to justify the regressions. I remember some bugs
>  in launchpad where people were not able to boot their hardy
>  installations when they were having some specific type of hard drives.
>  The problem was that some old driver got disabled in favor of new
>  driver and it was causing unbootable machines for a small percentage
>  of users.
>  So I believe that issues like this which are related to hardware are
>  most of the times corner cases.
>
>  And i specifically wanted to present objection to the sentence 'Ubuntu
>  QA is culprit'.
>
>  I hope I have properly explained what I wanted to say.
>
>
>
>  Onkar
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