Feedback Time
Julien Olivier
julo42 at gmail.com
Fri Jun 26 15:33:42 UTC 2015
Yes, sorry, my explanation lacked an important detail: I reckon the
GNOME developers wanted to use generic names for first-party apps only
(and thus, for one and only one app for each task). Third party apps are
still displayed using their real name.
I might be wrong though, or GNOME developers might also have changed
their strategy since the last time I checked...
Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 16:04 +0200, Narcis Garcia a écrit :
> I believe there is a middle point for this:
>
> "Gedit text editor"
> "Nautilus file manager"
> "Firefox web browser"
> etc.
>
> If someone names simply "Web browser" to Epiphany, how is named
> Firefox?? In a bad names strategy, user could see this in an
> applications menu:
> Web browser <- This is Firefox (you must know)
> Web browser <- This is Mirori (you must know)
> Web browser <- This is Icecat (you must know)
> ...no sense.
>
> It's very difficult for casual (or new) users this other extreme in a
> bad names strategy:
> Sylpheed <- This is an e-mail software (you must know)
> Evolution <- This is an e-mail software (you must know)
> Geary <- This is an e-mail software (you must know)
>
>
> El 26/06/15 a les 11:13, Julien Olivier ha escrit:
> > Hi Bart, list,
> >
> > the thing with names is that it's better when they actually *mean*
> > something. An experimented user will immediately know that Firefox is a
> > web browser or that Evolution is an email program. But normal users will
> > have no clue about it :) Some apps use names that provide clues as to
> > what the purpose of the app is, like Rhythmbox or Gedit, but most don't.
> >
> > I think the recent trend among GNOME developers is that the app name is
> > more like an internal code, not aimed at being used in the user experience.
> >
> > Maybe a good way to fix your problem would be to have a "Launch in
> > terminal" entry in the app's dash icon, next to "New Window" and "Add to
> > favourites", possibly as a GNOME Shell extension ?
> >
> > Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 10:25 +0200, Bart Schouten a écrit :
> >> Quoting Narcis Garcia <informatica at actiu.net <mailto:informatica at actiu.net>>:
> >>
> >> > I agree with Keith Grider in a subject: "please name all programs in the
> >> > UI the same as the cli (...) if you want to diagnose the problem, you
> >> > need to grep all over the internet to find out what the program name is
> >> > to be able to launch from the command line to see what errors are occurring"
> >> >
> >> > This problem is worse with localized UI.
> >>
> >> Yes. It makes no sense to name something "File Manager" instead of
> >> "Nautilus" when Nautilus is a name you can love and a brand name.
> >> Kubuntu (KDE) just puts a like subtitle next to the real name in the
> >> menu to describe it. I don't think "File Manager" (or whatever) makes
> >> much sense and you cannot love it. Only the most mediocre computer
> >> users do not know what "file manager" or anything with a name is and
> >> some of them don't even know what the button "web" is supposed to do
> >> (in a kiosk computer). You can't really cater to them. Those users
> >> can't use Linux anyway. People who have to learn how to use a mouse
> >> and who cannot make double-clicks without moving the mouse too much
> >> (it happens all too common). I don't think that should be your target
> >> audience. A proficient computer user that cannot use a mouse and does
> >> not know what a file manager icon is supposed to do -- they can never
> >> use linux. They couldn't use Windows. You'd only give them a Mac, at
> >> best. I feel it is catering to the lowest common denominator.
> >>
> >> Personally I think Gnome would be at least twice as good if they got
> >> rid of those confusing names when there are good names for those
> >> programs already.
> >>
> >> Just my opinion, as well.
> >>
> >> Bart.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > El 25/06/15 a les 15:44, Keith Grider ha escrit:
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> I have been running Gnome desktop under Ubuntu since 11.04. I did not
> >> >> like Unity and did not like the Gnome fallback. Tried Elementary OS for
> >> >> a while and came back to Ubuntu Gnome because they are so slow to
> >> >> release Freya.
> >> >>
> >> >> The new Gnome in 15.04 seems snappier and I like it. I could care less
> >> >> about the cutting edge, latest Gnome, I just want it to run. I am in the
> >> >> process of upgrading my computers from 14.04 to 15.04. 2 down and 2 to
> >> >> go. There are some kernel improvements in 15.04 which help a couple
> >> >> issues I was having with 14.04 (1 is that network manager is somewhat
> >> >> broken in 14.04.2 The via_velocity module will not reconnect to the lan
> >> >> after suspend and another is with wifi on my laptop.)
> >> >>
> >> >> Stuff that does not work or does not work 'correctly' in 15.04, IMO:
> >> >>
> >> >> 1. I can no longer unload a module at suspend time. I know this is a
> >> >> kernel problem and not Gnome, but it is a problem for me. I used to
> >> >> be able to do this with 13.04, but since 12.04, I can no longer get
> >> >> it to unload the aic7xxx module before suspending. No matter what I
> >> >> put in the |/etc/pm/config.d/modules, it will not unload. As soon as
> >> >> I try to use that module, the kernel panics and locks up the
> >> >> computer. It is an old card, but runs my scanner just fine. It used
> >> >> to work correctly and now it only works after boot and crashes after
> >> >> the first suspend resume cycle. I can do it by hand and can also
> >> >> blacklist it so I cna load it when I need it, but it should be able
> >> >> to be automated, this is a regression.
> >> >> |
> >> >> 2. ||The Gnome login screen needs a suspend time out. As it is, I have
> >> >> my users set auto suspend after 30 minutes. It would be nice if I
> >> >> could set that for The Gnome login screen as well via the Gnome UI
> >> >> somehow. It has been this way for a while and it is a regression, IMO.
> >> >> 3. The Gnome login screen does not have a suspend option. All I can do
> >> >> is shut down or reboot from the login screen.
> >> >> 4. The openjdk-*-jre install no longer has a .desktop file for right
> >> >> clicking and launching *.jar files in Nautilus, it must be created
> >> >> by hand to run these files.
> >> >> 5. Please, please, please name all programs in the UI the same as the
> >> >> cli... Please. It is tough to click and try to launch something in
> >> >> the UI, have nothing happen then if you want to diagnose the
> >> >> problem, you need to grep all over the internet to find out what the
> >> >> program name is to be able to launch from the command line to see
> >> >> what errors are occurring. I do not have a specific example right
> >> >> now, but could find one if you need. I think one of them is 'files'.
> >> >> Just call it 'nautilus'.
> >> >>
> >> >> Keep up the good work.
> >> >>
> >> >> Keith
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Ali/amjjawad <amjjawad at gnome.org <mailto:amjjawad at gnome.org>
> >> >> <mailto:amjjawad at gnome.org>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Dear everyone,
> >> >>
> >> >> Before we start the planning for this cycle (Wily Werewolf - 15.04),
> >> >> I'd like to run this survey before anything else:
> >> >>
> >> >> https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/
> >> >>
> >> >> It would be very important for me and everyone else to understand
> >> >> what we have done, what we are doing and what we are suppose to do
> >> >> in the future. Above all, we do need to understand what *OUR USERS*
> >> >> think :)
> >> >>
> >> >> I am having very limited time to spend so if the survey is bad or
> >> >> lack some questions, etc .. please keep in mind that this is what my
> >> >> time allowed me to do. I think I did my best and I'd like to
> >> >> apologize in advance for any inconvenience.
> >> >>
> >> >> You can *ALWAYS* write to us and send your feedback here, on this
> >> >> mailing list:
> >> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> and/or *FEEL FREE to contact me* :)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The survey should *NOT* take more than _*3 minutes*_ from your time.
> >> >>
> >> >> *Here is the direct link:*
> >> >> http://goo.gl/forms/sXdsxPIkfZ
> >> >>
> >> >> You can only answer it ONE time so please, make sure to read the
> >> >> questions carefully ;)
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank you so much!
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> >> >>
> >> >> Best Regards,
> >> >> Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
> >> >>
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> >> >>
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