<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; CHARSET=UTF-8"> <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="GtkHTML/4.8.5"> </HEAD> <BODY> Yes, sorry, my explanation lacked an important detail: I reckon the GNOME developers wanted to use generic names for first-party apps only (and thus, for one and only one app for each task). Third party apps are still displayed using their real name. I might be wrong though, or GNOME developers might also have changed their strategy since the last time I checked... Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 16:04 +0200, Narcis Garcia a écrit : <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE> I believe there is a middle point for this: "Gedit text editor" "Nautilus file manager" "Firefox web browser" etc. If someone names simply "Web browser" to Epiphany, how is named Firefox?? In a bad names strategy, user could see this in an applications menu: Web browser <- This is Firefox (you must know) Web browser <- This is Mirori (you must know) Web browser <- This is Icecat (you must know) ...no sense. It's very difficult for casual (or new) users this other extreme in a bad names strategy: Sylpheed <- This is an e-mail software (you must know) Evolution <- This is an e-mail software (you must know) Geary <- This is an e-mail software (you must know) El 26/06/15 a les 11:13, Julien Olivier ha escrit: > Hi Bart, list, > > the thing with names is that it's better when they actually *mean* > something. An experimented user will immediately know that Firefox is a > web browser or that Evolution is an email program. But normal users will > have no clue about it :) Some apps use names that provide clues as to > what the purpose of the app is, like Rhythmbox or Gedit, but most don't. > > I think the recent trend among GNOME developers is that the app name is > more like an internal code, not aimed at being used in the user experience. > > Maybe a good way to fix your problem would be to have a "Launch in > terminal" entry in the app's dash icon, next to "New Window" and "Add to > favourites", possibly as a GNOME Shell extension ? > > Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 10:25 +0200, Bart Schouten a écrit : >> Quoting Narcis Garcia <<A HREF="mailto:informatica@actiu.net">informatica@actiu.net</A> <<A HREF="mailto:informatica@actiu.net">mailto:informatica@actiu.net</A>>>: >> >> > I agree with Keith Grider in a subject: "please name all programs in the >> > UI the same as the cli (...) if you want to diagnose the problem, you >> > need to grep all over the internet to find out what the program name is >> > to be able to launch from the command line to see what errors are occurring" >> > >> > This problem is worse with localized UI. >> >> Yes. It makes no sense to name something "File Manager" instead of >> "Nautilus" when Nautilus is a name you can love and a brand name. >> Kubuntu (KDE) just puts a like subtitle next to the real name in the >> menu to describe it. I don't think "File Manager" (or whatever) makes >> much sense and you cannot love it. Only the most mediocre computer >> users do not know what "file manager" or anything with a name is and >> some of them don't even know what the button "web" is supposed to do >> (in a kiosk computer). You can't really cater to them. Those users >> can't use Linux anyway. People who have to learn how to use a mouse >> and who cannot make double-clicks without moving the mouse too much >> (it happens all too common). I don't think that should be your target >> audience. A proficient computer user that cannot use a mouse and does >> not know what a file manager icon is supposed to do -- they can never >> use linux. They couldn't use Windows. You'd only give them a Mac, at >> best. I feel it is catering to the lowest common denominator. >> >> Personally I think Gnome would be at least twice as good if they got >> rid of those confusing names when there are good names for those >> programs already. >> >> Just my opinion, as well. >> >> Bart. >> >> > >> > >> > >> > El 25/06/15 a les 15:44, Keith Grider ha escrit: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I have been running Gnome desktop under Ubuntu since 11.04. I did not >> >> like Unity and did not like the Gnome fallback. Tried Elementary OS for >> >> a while and came back to Ubuntu Gnome because they are so slow to >> >> release Freya. >> >> >> >> The new Gnome in 15.04 seems snappier and I like it. I could care less >> >> about the cutting edge, latest Gnome, I just want it to run. I am in the >> >> process of upgrading my computers from 14.04 to 15.04. 2 down and 2 to >> >> go. There are some kernel improvements in 15.04 which help a couple >> >> issues I was having with 14.04 (1 is that network manager is somewhat >> >> broken in 14.04.2 The via_velocity module will not reconnect to the lan >> >> after suspend and another is with wifi on my laptop.) >> >> >> >> Stuff that does not work or does not work 'correctly' in 15.04, IMO: >> >> >> >> 1. I can no longer unload a module at suspend time. I know this is a >> >> kernel problem and not Gnome, but it is a problem for me. I used to >> >> be able to do this with 13.04, but since 12.04, I can no longer get >> >> it to unload the aic7xxx module before suspending. No matter what I >> >> put in the |/etc/pm/config.d/modules, it will not unload. As soon as >> >> I try to use that module, the kernel panics and locks up the >> >> computer. It is an old card, but runs my scanner just fine. It used >> >> to work correctly and now it only works after boot and crashes after >> >> the first suspend resume cycle. I can do it by hand and can also >> >> blacklist it so I cna load it when I need it, but it should be able >> >> to be automated, this is a regression. >> >> | >> >> 2. ||The Gnome login screen needs a suspend time out. As it is, I have >> >> my users set auto suspend after 30 minutes. It would be nice if I >> >> could set that for The Gnome login screen as well via the Gnome UI >> >> somehow. It has been this way for a while and it is a regression, IMO. >> >> 3. The Gnome login screen does not have a suspend option. All I can do >> >> is shut down or reboot from the login screen. >> >> 4. The openjdk-*-jre install no longer has a .desktop file for right >> >> clicking and launching *.jar files in Nautilus, it must be created >> >> by hand to run these files. >> >> 5. Please, please, please name all programs in the UI the same as the >> >> cli... Please. It is tough to click and try to launch something in >> >> the UI, have nothing happen then if you want to diagnose the >> >> problem, you need to grep all over the internet to find out what the >> >> program name is to be able to launch from the command line to see >> >> what errors are occurring. I do not have a specific example right >> >> now, but could find one if you need. I think one of them is 'files'. >> >> Just call it 'nautilus'. >> >> >> >> Keep up the good work. >> >> >> >> Keith >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Ali/amjjawad <<A HREF="mailto:amjjawad@gnome.org">amjjawad@gnome.org</A> <<A HREF="mailto:amjjawad@gnome.org">mailto:amjjawad@gnome.org</A>> >> >> <<A HREF="mailto:amjjawad@gnome.org">mailto:amjjawad@gnome.org</A>>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Dear everyone, >> >> >> >> Before we start the planning for this cycle (Wily Werewolf - 15.04), >> >> I'd like to run this survey before anything else: >> >> >> >> <A HREF="https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/">https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/</A> >> >> >> >> It would be very important for me and everyone else to understand >> >> what we have done, what we are doing and what we are suppose to do >> >> in the future. Above all, we do need to understand what *OUR USERS* >> >> think :) >> >> >> >> I am having very limited time to spend so if the survey is bad or >> >> lack some questions, etc .. please keep in mind that this is what my >> >> time allowed me to do. I think I did my best and I'd like to >> >> apologize in advance for any inconvenience. >> >> >> >> You can *ALWAYS* write to us and send your feedback here, on this >> >> mailing list: >> >> <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs</A> >> >> >> >> >> >> and/or *FEEL FREE to contact me* :) >> >> >> >> >> >> The survey should *NOT* take more than _*3 minutes*_ from your time. >> >> >> >> *Here is the direct link:* >> >> <A HREF="http://goo.gl/forms/sXdsxPIkfZ">http://goo.gl/forms/sXdsxPIkfZ</A> >> >> >> >> You can only answer it ONE time so please, make sure to read the >> >> questions carefully ;) >> >> >> >> Thank you so much! >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Ali/amjjawad <<A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad</A>> >> >> >> >> *<A HREF="http://kibo.computer">http://kibo.computer</A>* - <A HREF="http://torios.net">http://torios.net</A> - Ubuntu GNOME >> >> <<A HREF="http://ubuntugnome.org/">http://ubuntugnome.org/</A>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list >> >> <A HREF="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</A> <<A HREF="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</A>> <<A HREF="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</A>> >> >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> >> <A HREF="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome</A> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list >> > <A HREF="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</A> <<A HREF="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</A>> >> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> > <A HREF="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome</A> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BODY> </HTML>