Call for a meeting (IRC/Hangout)
Charlie Moss
charlie at charliemoss.com
Sat Aug 1 09:10:13 UTC 2015
I asked for guidance with the videos. Anyway, it's not relevant anymore.
Just because someone has a different opinion doesn't make them a troll. I
have left the mailing list, so please don't CC me with anymore person
insults.
Regards,
*Charlie*
On 1 August 2015 at 09:55, Tim <darkxst at fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>
> On 01/08/15 18:03, Charlie Moss wrote:
> > Well, I hope you are right. I think new members need guidance rather
> than leaving things to their own initiative, but I could be wrong.
> >
> > Good luck with the project. If you need any help from someone without
> graphical or programming skills, please email me directly as I'm
> > unsubscribing from these lists.
> I already told you that we would love to have a short series of videos
> introducing ubuntu GNOME/gnome-shell, but you completely ignored that
> response apparently.
>
> Though guess you are just trolling, we have gone so long without trolls on
> the lists and then 2 in a week. Next one to try that will be booted
> off into the Hobbit land with the real trolls!
> >
> > Regards,
> > *
> > *
> > *Charlie*
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1 August 2015 at 07:52, Tim <darkxst at fastmail.fm <mailto:
> darkxst at fastmail.fm>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 31/07/15 21:10, Charlie Moss wrote:
> > > If you find the system works, stay with it. But don't stay with
> something just because A, B & C are using it, as B maybe be staying with it
> > > because you, A & C are using it, C maybe be staying with it
> because you, A & B are using it, etc.
> > You seem to missing the bit where A,B and C need to communicate with
> each other, on IRC I can contact anyone I need from any of those
> > previously
> > mentioned teams, the only struggle really is my timezone! I don't
> have to find/signup/load a different proprietry chat platform for each
> > different team.
> > >
> > > I forget the 'phases of progress', basically they are.... outrage,
> protest, acceptance, contentment (something like that). Gnome,
> > itself, is
> > > a fine example of this.
> > >
> > > For me, a new member in any group is gold. There should be a
> system of 'Befriending'. An old member is connected with a new member to
> > befriend
> > > them, guide them, make them feel welcomed, connect them with other
> members, assess their abilities and ultimately allocate them a roll they
> > > will enjoy and be suited to. IMHO, this is how to build a
> community. But again, if your present system is working well, then stay
> with it.
> > We are not here to hand hold you through the process, most people
> work on things that interest them, we don't just stuff tasks down there
> > throats. Better you would use some initiative and contact the team
> leader for whatever team you were interested in.
> > >
> > > I'm not here to make waves or criticize. 100 people looking at a
> single painting will see 100 different scenes, yet each of the 100 believes
> > > there is only painting and therefore there can only be one
> perspective.
> > >
> > > According to the survey, there are over 200 people ready to
> contribute. Hopefully, they can all help bring 3.18 to 15.04.
> > That won't happen, 200 anonymous people said they would contribute,
> how many do you really think would, and how many actually have the
> > development/packaging skills to make 3.18 happen? Its a month until
> Feature Freeze we can't even train people up that fast if they were
> > really keen.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *Charlie*
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 31 July 2015 at 10:43, Tim <darkxst at fastmail.fm <mailto:
> darkxst at fastmail.fm> <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm
> > <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm>>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 31/07/15 19:12, Charlie Moss wrote:
> > > > Thank you for your feedback. It has become clear to me over
> the past few weeks that I am not suited to contribute to an Ubuntu
> > community. My
> > > > enthusiasm to give back to Ubuntu Gnome has not changed, I
> simply find the system of communication, IRC and Mailing Lists, totally
> > > ineffective
> > > > and inefficient.
> > > IRC is a little antiquated protocol, but it works great for
> real time conversations, and all open source teams use this, red hat,
> > Canonical,
> > > debian, gnome, mozilla etc,. Similar goes for the mailing
> lists, and I do agree finding the old history can be a little hard, but you
> > > should be
> > > able to dig it out with some google foo!
> > >
> > > IRC and mailing lists are the standard tools of the open
> source world. Do you really think you can change the entire universe on
> that?
> > > >
> > > > It is nearly impossible for a new person to get involved, as
> a topic's timeline is often divided when emails are forked, plus it
> > is easy to
> > > > miss a message when they are inserted into the text of the
> previous email, making catch up very time-consuming. I'm sure if I
> > suggested
> > > using
> > > > 'Slack' I would be ignored or receive a list of reasons why
> it was not suitable, but for me, video communication like Hangouts and
> > threaded
> > > > text communication like Slack are presently the most
> effective systems of collaboration.
> > > Its not impossible, just ask someone, I'm sure they will point
> you to past discussions!
> > >
> > > You say slack, someone else wants telegram, and then next we
> know there a people wanting to use a dozen different propriety
> > platforms, that is
> > > never going to work. How many upstreams are on slack? probably
> 0, sure this becomes less relevant for the community teams, but still you
> > > should
> > > get the point. Using IRC and mailing lists as an excuse for
> not contributing seems a little lame. The artwork team are on slack or
> > telegram
> > > (forget which) and other sub teams are free to do that also if
> they wish, but I can't see a day where all our comms switch over to slack
> > > >
> > > > Good luck to you all. I looking forward to October and the
> release of Ubuntu Gnome 15.10. I hope it will have Gnome 3.18 as this
> > is clearly
> > > > more important to users than 100% stability. If a user
> requires 100% stability, then they must remain with the LTS.
> > > 3.18 won't happen in 15.10, unless by some miracle we double
> our development team....
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *Charlie*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 30 July 2015 at 08:01, Tim <darkxst at fastmail.fm <mailto:
> darkxst at fastmail.fm> <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm
> > <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm>> <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm <mailto:
> darkxst at fastmail.fm>
> > > <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm>>>>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 29/07/15 21:29, Charlie Moss wrote:
> > > > > Cool, I'll be there.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Tim/Darkxst. 'Contribute' may seem so clear and
> simple to you but to me, as some new to such a community, it doesn't.)
> > > > There is no clear cut definition of 'contribute' and it
> largely depends on which team you are interested in. Most teams you
> > can just
> > > join and
> > > > discuss your intests/ideas on their relevant list.
> Anyway you seem to have been fairly active on the mailing lists so that is
> > a good
> > > start!
> > > > Sorry I missed you original thread about video docs, I
> will reply to that now.
> > > >
> > > > Tim
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > *
> > > > > *
> > > > > *Charlie*
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 29 July 2015 at 11:53, Tim <darkxst at fastmail.fm
> <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm> <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm
> > <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm>> <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm <mailto:
> darkxst at fastmail.fm>
> > > <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm>>>
> <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm>
> > <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm>>
> > > > <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm>
> <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm <mailto:darkxst at fastmail.fm>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 29/07/15 20:22, Charlie Moss wrote:
> > > > > > I know that I am not part of the core team (or
> any team as I have not found the secret entrance yet) so will not be
> > invited to
> > > > this meeting.
> > > > > All our meetings are public if you want to attend,
> then just do that, no invite needed. as for the secret entrance to
> > get into the
> > > > sub-teams,
> > > > > its simple contribute!
> > > > >
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