<div dir="ltr">I asked for guidance with the videos. Anyway, it's not relevant anymore.<div><br></div><div>Just because someone has a different opinion doesn't make them a troll. I have left the mailing list, so please don't CC me with anymore person insults.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Regards,</span></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><b style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><br></b></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><b style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Charlie</b></font></div><div><div style="font-size:small;font-family:arial"><div><br></div><div><font size="1"> </font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div> <br><div class="gmail_quote">On 1 August 2015 at 09:55, Tim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm" target="_blank">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><br> <br> On 01/08/15 18:03, Charlie Moss wrote:<br> > Well, I hope you are right. I think new members need guidance rather than leaving things to their own initiative, but I could be wrong.<br> ><br> > Good luck with the project. If you need any help from someone without graphical or programming skills, please email me directly as I'm<br> > unsubscribing from these lists.<br> </span>I already told you that we would love to have a short series of videos introducing ubuntu GNOME/gnome-shell, but you completely ignored that<br> response apparently.<br> <br> Though guess you are just trolling, we have gone so long without trolls on the lists and then 2 in a week. Next one to try that will be booted<br> off into the Hobbit land with the real trolls!<br> ><br> > Regards,<br> > *<br> > *<br> > *Charlie*<br> <div><div class="h5">><br> ><br> ><br> > On 1 August 2015 at 07:52, Tim <<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a>>> wrote:<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > On 31/07/15 21:10, Charlie Moss wrote:<br> > > If you find the system works, stay with it. But don't stay with something just because A, B & C are using it, as B maybe be staying with it<br> > > because you, A & C are using it, C maybe be staying with it because you, A & B are using it, etc.<br> > You seem to missing the bit where A,B and C need to communicate with each other, on IRC I can contact anyone I need from any of those<br> > previously<br> > mentioned teams, the only struggle really is my timezone! I don't have to find/signup/load a different proprietry chat platform for each<br> > different team.<br> > ><br> > > I forget the 'phases of progress', basically they are.... outrage, protest, acceptance, contentment (something like that). Gnome,<br> > itself, is<br> > > a fine example of this.<br> > ><br> > > For me, a new member in any group is gold. There should be a system of 'Befriending'. An old member is connected with a new member to<br> > befriend<br> > > them, guide them, make them feel welcomed, connect them with other members, assess their abilities and ultimately allocate them a roll they<br> > > will enjoy and be suited to. IMHO, this is how to build a community. But again, if your present system is working well, then stay with it.<br> > We are not here to hand hold you through the process, most people work on things that interest them, we don't just stuff tasks down there<br> > throats. Better you would use some initiative and contact the team leader for whatever team you were interested in.<br> > ><br> > > I'm not here to make waves or criticize. 100 people looking at a single painting will see 100 different scenes, yet each of the 100 believes<br> > > there is only painting and therefore there can only be one perspective.<br> > ><br> > > According to the survey, there are over 200 people ready to contribute. Hopefully, they can all help bring 3.18 to 15.04.<br> > That won't happen, 200 anonymous people said they would contribute, how many do you really think would, and how many actually have the<br> > development/packaging skills to make 3.18 happen? Its a month until Feature Freeze we can't even train people up that fast if they were<br> > really keen.<br> > ><br> > > Regards,<br> > > *<br> > > *<br> > > *Charlie*<br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> </div></div>> > On 31 July 2015 at 10:43, Tim <<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a><br> <div><div class="h5">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a>>>> wrote:<br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > > On 31/07/15 19:12, Charlie Moss wrote:<br> > > > Thank you for your feedback. It has become clear to me over the past few weeks that I am not suited to contribute to an Ubuntu<br> > community. My<br> > > > enthusiasm to give back to Ubuntu Gnome has not changed, I simply find the system of communication, IRC and Mailing Lists, totally<br> > > ineffective<br> > > > and inefficient.<br> > > IRC is a little antiquated protocol, but it works great for real time conversations, and all open source teams use this, red hat,<br> > Canonical,<br> > > debian, gnome, mozilla etc,. Similar goes for the mailing lists, and I do agree finding the old history can be a little hard, but you<br> > > should be<br> > > able to dig it out with some google foo!<br> > ><br> > > IRC and mailing lists are the standard tools of the open source world. Do you really think you can change the entire universe on that?<br> > > ><br> > > > It is nearly impossible for a new person to get involved, as a topic's timeline is often divided when emails are forked, plus it<br> > is easy to<br> > > > miss a message when they are inserted into the text of the previous email, making catch up very time-consuming. I'm sure if I<br> > suggested<br> > > using<br> > > > 'Slack' I would be ignored or receive a list of reasons why it was not suitable, but for me, video communication like Hangouts and<br> > threaded<br> > > > text communication like Slack are presently the most effective systems of collaboration.<br> > > Its not impossible, just ask someone, I'm sure they will point you to past discussions!<br> > ><br> > > You say slack, someone else wants telegram, and then next we know there a people wanting to use a dozen different propriety<br> > platforms, that is<br> > > never going to work. How many upstreams are on slack? probably 0, sure this becomes less relevant for the community teams, but still you<br> > > should<br> > > get the point. Using IRC and mailing lists as an excuse for not contributing seems a little lame. The artwork team are on slack or<br> > telegram<br> > > (forget which) and other sub teams are free to do that also if they wish, but I can't see a day where all our comms switch over to slack<br> > > ><br> > > > Good luck to you all. I looking forward to October and the release of Ubuntu Gnome 15.10. I hope it will have Gnome 3.18 as this<br> > is clearly<br> > > > more important to users than 100% stability. If a user requires 100% stability, then they must remain with the LTS.<br> > > 3.18 won't happen in 15.10, unless by some miracle we double our development team....<br> > > ><br> > > > Regards,<br> > > > *<br> > > > *<br> > > > *Charlie*<br> > > ><br> > > ><br> > > ><br> > > > On 30 July 2015 at 08:01, Tim <<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a><br> </div></div><span class="">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a>><br> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a>>>>> wrote:<br> > > ><br> > > ><br> > > ><br> > > > On 29/07/15 21:29, Charlie Moss wrote:<br> > > > > Cool, I'll be there.<br> > > > ><br> > > > > (Tim/Darkxst. 'Contribute' may seem so clear and simple to you but to me, as some new to such a community, it doesn't.)<br> > > > There is no clear cut definition of 'contribute' and it largely depends on which team you are interested in. Most teams you<br> > can just<br> > > join and<br> > > > discuss your intests/ideas on their relevant list. Anyway you seem to have been fairly active on the mailing lists so that is<br> > a good<br> > > start!<br> > > > Sorry I missed you original thread about video docs, I will reply to that now.<br> > > ><br> > > > Tim<br> > > ><br> > > > ><br> > > > > Regards,<br> > > > > *<br> > > > > *<br> > > > > *Charlie*<br> > > > ><br> > > > ><br> > > > ><br> > > > > On 29 July 2015 at 11:53, Tim <<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a><br> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a>><br> </span>> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a>><br> <span class="">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a>>><br> > > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darkxst@fastmail.fm">darkxst@fastmail.fm</a>>>>>> wrote:<br> > > > ><br> > > > ><br> > > > ><br> > > > > On 29/07/15 20:22, Charlie Moss wrote:<br> > > > > > I know that I am not part of the core team (or any team as I have not found the secret entrance yet) so will not be<br> > invited to<br> > > > this meeting.<br> > > > > All our meetings are public if you want to attend, then just do that, no invite needed. as for the secret entrance to<br> > get into the<br> > > > sub-teams,<br> > > > > its simple contribute!<br> > > > ><br> > > > > --<br> > > > > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list<br> > > > > <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a>><br> </span>> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> <div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a>>><br> > > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a>>>>><br> > > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome</a><br> > > > ><br> > > > ><br> > > > ><br> > > > ><br> > > ><br> > > ><br> > > > --<br> > > > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list<br> > > > <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a>><br> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a>>>><br> > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome</a><br> > > ><br> > > ><br> > > ><br> > > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > > --<br> > > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list<br> > > <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a>>><br> > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome</a><br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> ><br> ><br> > --<br> > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list<br> > <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com</a>><br> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome</a><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> <br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>