Changing Ubuntu Egypt group owner

[Seif Lotfy]

Dear Shams & Karim,

While I appreciate your dedication to the loco team, here is my take.
First lets not get the loco-contacts involved in this. (Mesh 3awzeen nefda7
we negarras)

I will start with Shams,
Your reply to Karim's mail is terrible and kinda annoying to read. While I
do not agree with some of Karim's points here is my take.


   - If I were someone wanting to join the loco team and reading this reply
   I would hesitate to even contact you. (take care how you reply). Good people
   attract good people. Dicks attracts dicks. Sarcasm and irony as well as the
   tone of your reply indicate the latter.
   - What will change once the ownership is transferred. And who should it
   be transferred too?
   - I knew Karim from when the loco team started. I was one of the first
   back then btw too. I can confirm Karim's dedication. While it might have
   been less it still does not change the fact he initiated the ubuntu-eg and
   contributes.
   - Karim clearly said he would change ownership if this is what the team
   desires (I admire that but I have something to pick on later on this mail).
   Explain to me why you are bashing him.

As for Karim

   - Dude seriously sending to the loco-contacts is just way below you.
   Don't make us look bad.
   - What position are you stepping down from. Clearly your opinion and say
   does not matter at that point as it used to since as you can see the loco
   team has revived by people who are dedicated more time for it.
   - Get back on show interest by reading the mailing list.

We had this issue with leaderships before and you know that so lets learn to
avoid it. We should get rid of the idea of leadership in a loco team. No
such thing. Also since when does contributing outside the Loco team not
count... Seriously you need to change this way of thinking.

No need to change ownership unless someone with a complex really wants to
see his name up there.

Just my 2 cents
Cheers
Seif



On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Ahmed Shams <ahmedkhattabshams at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello Karim;
> I finally communicated with you, should I revolute against you to get your
> attention? :D
> Please allow me to reply to each sentence individually.
>
> On 6 September 2011 00:22, Karim Fayez <karim.fayez at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone;
>>
> Hi
>
>>  I just want to mention that I haven't disappeared or anything and I am
>> active
>>
> Well, the first sentence forces me to turn this into a conflict.
> Sorry, I'm a member for 18 m now and I never
> seen/heared/met/communicated/what-so-ever with you, so.....?
>
>> and still trying to do my best regarding ubuntu in Egypt.
>>
> I hope so, best wishes, but alone....?
>
>>  And as you all know my email and phone number are there on our page
>>
> We purged it Sir!!!
>
>>  and no one ever failed to contact me if they tried.
>>
> What??????
> Why should we?, I hope you're active on our mailing-list
>
>>  I still conduct trainings and installations and tech support as much as I
>> can.
>>
> One big Zero Sir....Sorry I'm just talking about facts on ground :D
>
>>  And I hereby declare my willingness to step down if that is in the favor
>> of the team without stopping my contributions and support with the same
>> level of loyalty.
>>
> No Comment.
>
>> Our team has history of conflicts that is well known to lots of people
>>
> Who are they for the God's sake, You wasn't here when the mailing-list was
> first created, 2007??? So, when those conflicts were????
>
>>  and I will be glad to sit down and discuss the future of the team and any
>> thing we can to to make it better.
>>
> Where I heared that before????
>
>
>
> @Karim Fayez;
> I'm TOTALLY disappointed with your message, and it's now clear that things
> are somehow became weired.
>
>
>
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> Ahmed
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