Online Meeting

Fri Jul 1 17:18:58 UTC 2011

Try at your own risk, there is no single guarantee that they will remain
"secret".
Sometimes we prefer sacrificing with something to get benefit and advantage
of something else, rule for the life not the "e-" section only :)

- What if someone successfully hacked an internet banking server?
- What if someone successfully rubbed the central bank that holds your money
and the money was bankrupted?

See, it's a life-related rule, has nothing to do with Closed/Open companies
;-)

-- Amahdy AbdElAziz
http://www.amahdy.net

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 19:09, Processing Qbits <processingqbits at gmail.com>wrote:

> Ah, unfortunately, my good fellow, your view of the electronic world seems
> very constricted.
>
> "You shouldn't do something secret over the web"....
> So you're against e-businesses including all forms of online transactions
> and ebanking, you're against confidential emails? Aren't all these forms of
> secrets to be kept hidden?
>
> I'm sorry, but this is not a strong argument for you at all, it's true that
> if one wants to keep a secret online, it might be very hard and at times
> close to impossible, but to not even try?
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Amahdy AbdElAziz <amahdy7 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I have many examples on why you shouldn't do something secret* over the
>> web*, even if you are using Open Source software built by you! Here is
>> some of them:
>>
>> 1) You are sending and email to a close friend with sensitive information
>> along with general information, he accidentally publicly share the email.
>> [[For example you send some love words to your fiancée and a picture of a
>> flower, she liked that flower that she shared the email over Facebook,, so
>> embarrassing]]
>>
>> 2) You send an email to seomone "A" and BCC someone else "B", "B" replies
>> to all...
>>
>> 3) You are sending sensitive information over chat, and due to some bug,
>> the information is sent to someone else!
>>
>> 4) You are storing your secrets on your own server and it got hacked!!
>>
>> 5) You decided to encrypt your own secret data and store them on the
>> server, someone was able to predict your password after hacking your server
>> (happens)...
>>
>>
>> -- Amahdy AbdElAziz
>> http://www.amahdy.net
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 18:46, Amahdy AbdElAziz <amahdy7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay so are you afraid from having someone tracking you or keeping a log
>>> of what you are doing? why should you be afraid from that, are you doing
>>> something wrong? if you don't want someone know what you are doing then IMHO
>>> you shouldn't be doing it from the beginning, specially, over the web!
>>>
>>> If you want to use a Canonical-hosted mail server instead of
>>> Google-hosted one, so how can you guarantee that Canonical won't one day
>>> keep log of your emails, not all of us can buy and configure his own mail
>>> server, and if it's not a physical server at your home (e.g. you have your
>>> own server managed by some hosting company) then you can't guarantee that
>>> this hosting company is not spying on you.
>>>
>>> So again if you are doing something wrong then stop doing it, I don't
>>> mean any of you is doing something wrong, but I'm just explaining my
>>> point...
>>>
>>> We all need all the time someone to manage some parts of our life, we
>>> can't do everything all the time, so we need to relay on someone to do that
>>> for us, for example I can't pen trace all the Ubuntu code to make sure that
>>> there isn't a back door somewhere, so I have to relay on some others who did
>>> so (who knows maybe they are paid to stay calm?? ,, I don't care, simply
>>> because all what I'm doing on my laptop is open to everybody, I have no
>>> problem on that).
>>>
>>> I like Google -for now- because they believe in the Open Source, they
>>> started many many many Open Source projects along with their patches for
>>> Open Source projects like the Linux Kernel, the Ubuntu project itself, and
>>> many other small and big projects (Eclipse, Apache, Mozilla, KDE, Gnome,
>>> Drupal, and many much more) [[Yes they are still submitting patches for
>>> Firefox too!]]
>>>
>>> I also like the data liberation concept that Google has, the data
>>> ownership to the user, but I also agree at the end of the day that we should
>>> be cautious, if we don't like something then we can simply raise our hands
>>> and let them know and it's proven that they respond (so far).
>>>
>>> Personly, I completely understand that any company needs "Money" to
>>> survive and continue innovation, so I don't mind that Google collect some
>>> bucks from here and there so that they can deliver the quality that I want.
>>> They actually helped me a lot with this new product G+, so that I'm finally
>>> able to have a e-social life.
>>> BTW, this applied also for SUN, and currently apply also for IBM, RedHat,
>>> FixedSolutions, and many similar Companies that believe and encourage the
>>> OpenSource and need to collect some bucks at the same time!
>>>
>>> Sorry for the long email, but I'd like also to mention one small
>>> experience:
>>>
>>> - I like the fact that when I post something "Public" at G+, everybody
>>> that uses Internet can see it, event if he doesn't have a Gmail account. But
>>> something like Facebook won't show more than my profile picture, some of my
>>> interests, and a box asking to Sign Up first! (Hey, it's my data that I want
>>> to share with everybody, not yours to block it from people!!)
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Amahdy AbdElAziz
>>> http://www.amahdy.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 16:04, Haitham El-Ghareeb <helghareeb at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Checking, Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 05:51 PM, Processing Qbits <processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There are a lot that we can do....Don't keep all your eggs in one
>>>> basket...And there is no need to actually put all the eggs in baskets, some
>>>> eggs are better kept in the nest
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Haitham El-Ghareeb <<helghareeb at gmail.com>
>>>> helghareeb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> and there is nothing we can do, right? I wish I can stay away from
>>>>> facebook, Google +, or twitter but I can't. All my friends, students, and
>>>>> social life is there now. Just feeling so confused about that. Wanted to
>>>>> share it here :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 05:39 PM, "Jonathan N. Hindi" <<jonathan.hindi at gmail.com>
>>>>> jonathan.hindi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> +Islam Hassan, You are very right :)
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>>>> *Jonathan N. Hindi
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/7/1 Islam Hassan < <eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>>> eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  You forgot to mention the most two scary things about Google: First,
>>>>>> Google Chrome OS depends completely on the cloud, that means every thing
>>>>>> related to you is on Google servers. Second Google Android @ home & Google
>>>>>> Android Open Accessory, Google will control every thing in your house. After
>>>>>> watching Google IO day one keynote, what I had in mind was Umbrella from
>>>>>> resident evil and USR's VIKI from I,Robot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Online Meeting
>>>>>> From: <helghareeb at gmail.com> <helghareeb at gmail.com>
>>>>>> helghareeb at gmail.com
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 16:29:11 +0300
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To: <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com> <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>> ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @Ahmed Toulan +1
>>>>>> Yes this is what I meant, and sorry for the late reply. We are
>>>>>> gathering to show the evilness of one vendor, that is Microsoft, and there
>>>>>> is another one 'Google' is trying hardly to catch everywhere it can, OS,
>>>>>> Mail, Social Media, Web browser, everywhere. That can't be right !!! It's
>>>>>> like I'm surrounded with Google everywhere, till now no one has anything
>>>>>> against Google, just I'm so worried that we are being caught.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 05:10 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's why I believe more in Diaspora
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Ahmed Kamal <<email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com><email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com><email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com>
>>>>>> email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> um but "Google lets you save a backup of your photos, profile
>>>>>> information, contacts, circles, stream posts, and Buzz posts to your
>>>>>> computer" on  <https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata><https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata><https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata>
>>>>>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata doesn't sound too bad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Ahmed Toulan <<thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com>
>>>>>> thelinuxer at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I think what he meant was that we are doing a different kind of
>>>>>> vendor locking badro. Like you were locked to the windows platform one day,
>>>>>> today you'll be locked inside the Google platform. And this is a real
>>>>>> serious issue if you ask me, a real valid concern...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't get that, would you be so kind as to elaborate more?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Haitham El-Ghareeb <<helghareeb at gmail.com><helghareeb at gmail.com><helghareeb at gmail.com>
>>>>>> helghareeb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lets hope not, I'm completely disappointed with this product, not from
>>>>>> features side, but from the Open Web side, it's really getting serious that
>>>>>> we are moving from a single Microsoft, to plenty of it!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 03:13 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Google is putting up a strong fight against facebook...Diaspora and
>>>>>> Google+
>>>>>> I actually have more faith in Diaspora, although it seems that Google+
>>>>>> will be ready before it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2011/7/1 Islam Hassan < <eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Right now many of us don't have access to google+, but it's gonna be
>>>>>> awesome to use it when it goes public.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 14:44:06 +0300
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Online Meeting
>>>>>> From: <thelinuxer at ubuntu.com> <thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com>
>>>>>> thelinuxer at ubuntu.com
>>>>>> To: <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com> <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com><ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com><ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>> ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally I think we might use it in the future
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have access to Google+ too...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Mohamed El-Feky <<elfeky.m at gmail.com><elfeky.m at gmail.com><elfeky.m at gmail.com><elfeky.m at gmail.com>
>>>>>> elfeky.m at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 for me
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Jonathan N. Hindi <<jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com>
>>>>>> jonathan.hindi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think that all the team have access to Google+ ?
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>> *Jonathan N. Hindi
>>>>>> *
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Karim Ahmed <<just.azzurri at gmail.com><just.azzurri at gmail.com><just.azzurri at gmail.com><just.azzurri at gmail.com>
>>>>>> just.azzurri at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it's a good idea if we organize Online Meeting at Google+ via
>>>>>> Hangouts :)
>>>>>> so what's your opinions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Karim Ahmed,*
>>>>>> *Google **student ambassador *
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