Online Meeting
Processing Qbits
processingqbits at gmail.com
Fri Jul 1 17:09:59 UTC 2011
Ah, unfortunately, my good fellow, your view of the electronic world seems
very constricted.
"You shouldn't do something secret over the web"....
So you're against e-businesses including all forms of online transactions
and ebanking, you're against confidential emails? Aren't all these forms of
secrets to be kept hidden?
I'm sorry, but this is not a strong argument for you at all, it's true that
if one wants to keep a secret online, it might be very hard and at times
close to impossible, but to not even try?
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Amahdy AbdElAziz <amahdy7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have many examples on why you shouldn't do something secret* over the
> web*, even if you are using Open Source software built by you! Here is
> some of them:
>
> 1) You are sending and email to a close friend with sensitive information
> along with general information, he accidentally publicly share the email.
> [[For example you send some love words to your fiancée and a picture of a
> flower, she liked that flower that she shared the email over Facebook,, so
> embarrassing]]
>
> 2) You send an email to seomone "A" and BCC someone else "B", "B" replies
> to all...
>
> 3) You are sending sensitive information over chat, and due to some bug,
> the information is sent to someone else!
>
> 4) You are storing your secrets on your own server and it got hacked!!
>
> 5) You decided to encrypt your own secret data and store them on the
> server, someone was able to predict your password after hacking your server
> (happens)...
>
>
> -- Amahdy AbdElAziz
> http://www.amahdy.net
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 18:46, Amahdy AbdElAziz <amahdy7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Okay so are you afraid from having someone tracking you or keeping a log
>> of what you are doing? why should you be afraid from that, are you doing
>> something wrong? if you don't want someone know what you are doing then IMHO
>> you shouldn't be doing it from the beginning, specially, over the web!
>>
>> If you want to use a Canonical-hosted mail server instead of Google-hosted
>> one, so how can you guarantee that Canonical won't one day keep log of your
>> emails, not all of us can buy and configure his own mail server, and if it's
>> not a physical server at your home (e.g. you have your own server managed by
>> some hosting company) then you can't guarantee that this hosting company is
>> not spying on you.
>>
>> So again if you are doing something wrong then stop doing it, I don't mean
>> any of you is doing something wrong, but I'm just explaining my point...
>>
>> We all need all the time someone to manage some parts of our life, we
>> can't do everything all the time, so we need to relay on someone to do that
>> for us, for example I can't pen trace all the Ubuntu code to make sure that
>> there isn't a back door somewhere, so I have to relay on some others who did
>> so (who knows maybe they are paid to stay calm?? ,, I don't care, simply
>> because all what I'm doing on my laptop is open to everybody, I have no
>> problem on that).
>>
>> I like Google -for now- because they believe in the Open Source, they
>> started many many many Open Source projects along with their patches for
>> Open Source projects like the Linux Kernel, the Ubuntu project itself, and
>> many other small and big projects (Eclipse, Apache, Mozilla, KDE, Gnome,
>> Drupal, and many much more) [[Yes they are still submitting patches for
>> Firefox too!]]
>>
>> I also like the data liberation concept that Google has, the data
>> ownership to the user, but I also agree at the end of the day that we should
>> be cautious, if we don't like something then we can simply raise our hands
>> and let them know and it's proven that they respond (so far).
>>
>> Personly, I completely understand that any company needs "Money" to
>> survive and continue innovation, so I don't mind that Google collect some
>> bucks from here and there so that they can deliver the quality that I want.
>> They actually helped me a lot with this new product G+, so that I'm finally
>> able to have a e-social life.
>> BTW, this applied also for SUN, and currently apply also for IBM, RedHat,
>> FixedSolutions, and many similar Companies that believe and encourage the
>> OpenSource and need to collect some bucks at the same time!
>>
>> Sorry for the long email, but I'd like also to mention one small
>> experience:
>>
>> - I like the fact that when I post something "Public" at G+, everybody
>> that uses Internet can see it, event if he doesn't have a Gmail account. But
>> something like Facebook won't show more than my profile picture, some of my
>> interests, and a box asking to Sign Up first! (Hey, it's my data that I want
>> to share with everybody, not yours to block it from people!!)
>>
>>
>> -- Amahdy AbdElAziz
>> http://www.amahdy.net
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 16:04, Haitham El-Ghareeb <helghareeb at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Checking, Thanks.
>>>
>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 05:51 PM, Processing Qbits <processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> There are a lot that we can do....Don't keep all your eggs in one
>>> basket...And there is no need to actually put all the eggs in baskets, some
>>> eggs are better kept in the nest
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Haitham El-Ghareeb <<helghareeb at gmail.com>
>>> helghareeb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> and there is nothing we can do, right? I wish I can stay away from
>>>> facebook, Google +, or twitter but I can't. All my friends, students, and
>>>> social life is there now. Just feeling so confused about that. Wanted to
>>>> share it here :)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 05:39 PM, "Jonathan N. Hindi" <<jonathan.hindi at gmail.com>
>>>> jonathan.hindi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> +Islam Hassan, You are very right :)
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>>> *Jonathan N. Hindi
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2011/7/1 Islam Hassan < <eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>> eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> You forgot to mention the most two scary things about Google: First,
>>>>> Google Chrome OS depends completely on the cloud, that means every thing
>>>>> related to you is on Google servers. Second Google Android @ home & Google
>>>>> Android Open Accessory, Google will control every thing in your house. After
>>>>> watching Google IO day one keynote, what I had in mind was Umbrella from
>>>>> resident evil and USR's VIKI from I,Robot.
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> Subject: Re: Online Meeting
>>>>> From: <helghareeb at gmail.com> <helghareeb at gmail.com>
>>>>> helghareeb at gmail.com
>>>>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 16:29:11 +0300
>>>>>
>>>>> To: <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com> <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>> ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>
>>>>> @Ahmed Toulan +1
>>>>> Yes this is what I meant, and sorry for the late reply. We are
>>>>> gathering to show the evilness of one vendor, that is Microsoft, and there
>>>>> is another one 'Google' is trying hardly to catch everywhere it can, OS,
>>>>> Mail, Social Media, Web browser, everywhere. That can't be right !!! It's
>>>>> like I'm surrounded with Google everywhere, till now no one has anything
>>>>> against Google, just I'm so worried that we are being caught.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 05:10 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That's why I believe more in Diaspora
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Ahmed Kamal <<email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com><email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com><email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com>
>>>>> email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> um but "Google lets you save a backup of your photos, profile
>>>>> information, contacts, circles, stream posts, and Buzz posts to your
>>>>> computer" on <https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata><https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata><https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata>
>>>>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata doesn't sound too bad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Ahmed Toulan < <thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com>
>>>>> thelinuxer at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I think what he meant was that we are doing a different kind of
>>>>> vendor locking badro. Like you were locked to the windows platform one day,
>>>>> today you'll be locked inside the Google platform. And this is a real
>>>>> serious issue if you ask me, a real valid concern...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't get that, would you be so kind as to elaborate more?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Haitham El-Ghareeb <<helghareeb at gmail.com><helghareeb at gmail.com><helghareeb at gmail.com>
>>>>> helghareeb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Lets hope not, I'm completely disappointed with this product, not from
>>>>> features side, but from the Open Web side, it's really getting serious that
>>>>> we are moving from a single Microsoft, to plenty of it!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 03:13 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Google is putting up a strong fight against facebook...Diaspora and
>>>>> Google+
>>>>> I actually have more faith in Diaspora, although it seems that Google+
>>>>> will be ready before it
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/7/1 Islam Hassan < <eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>>> eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now many of us don't have access to google+, but it's gonna be
>>>>> awesome to use it when it goes public.
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 14:44:06 +0300
>>>>> Subject: Re: Online Meeting
>>>>> From: <thelinuxer at ubuntu.com> <thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com>
>>>>> thelinuxer at ubuntu.com
>>>>> To: <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com> <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com><ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com><ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>> ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally I think we might use it in the future
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have access to Google+ too...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Mohamed El-Feky < <elfeky.m at gmail.com><elfeky.m at gmail.com><elfeky.m at gmail.com><elfeky.m at gmail.com>
>>>>> elfeky.m at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 for me
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Jonathan N. Hindi <<jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com>
>>>>> jonathan.hindi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think that all the team have access to Google+ ?
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>>>> *Jonathan N. Hindi
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Karim Ahmed <<just.azzurri at gmail.com><just.azzurri at gmail.com><just.azzurri at gmail.com><just.azzurri at gmail.com>
>>>>> just.azzurri at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's a good idea if we organize Online Meeting at Google+ via
>>>>> Hangouts :)
>>>>> so what's your opinions?
>>>>>
>>>>> *Karim Ahmed,*
>>>>> *Google **student ambassador *
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