[Ubuntu-eg] open source voting system for egyptian election

Sun Dec 11 17:52:01 UTC 2011

I meant publicly on the internet :D

On 12/11/11, Processing Qbits <processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
> Implementing? We're merely in the research and design phase :D
>
> Unless you mean to ask about my university and so forth, in that case
> I prefer keeping it private (Anything posted on this email is saved on
> the internet...I wouldn't want that) so if you would like to know
> that, please ask me through my email and not the ubuntu-eg mailing
> list
>
> On 12/11/11, Ahmed Kamal <email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> "*We need all the help we can get!*" May I know where are you
>> implementing
>> this ? or rather who's pushing it ... I might be able to help
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Processing Qbits <
>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, I apologize, I have been very busy lately I forgot about this email!
>>>
>>> First of all, about the security, it is without doubt one of our main
>>> concerns, the security mechanism...the use of usernames and passwords,
>>> the
>>> use of certificates, VPNs etc....we have quite a load at our hands...
>>>
>>> We need all the help we can get! We will also work with clusters (most
>>> probably) to support proper load balancing...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Ashraf Bendary
>>> <ash_bendary at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> i totally agree with u to dont trust mathematically verifiable secure
>>>> its right if u look to from this side
>>>>
>>>> actually if u think about e-voting in egypt u will have some challenges
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>> 1- trust
>>>>
>>>> we find out that we can make it like safe with two key one the human
>>>> and
>>>> one with Machine
>>>>
>>>> that's why in our study we keep the judge and Civil society
>>>> Representatives
>>>>
>>>> so if u dont trust in them u  can trust in machine if u dont trust in
>>>> machine u can trust in them
>>>>
>>>> 2- law
>>>>
>>>> we find out that if we want to make system for egypt it mast be
>>>> suitable
>>>> for egypt law
>>>>
>>>> e-voting is impossible with the current law and we cant change the law
>>>> just for the system
>>>>
>>>> so we work around with the system and make it fit the current law
>>>>
>>>> 3- cost
>>>>
>>>> to apply the e-voting in egypt its too expensive because u need to
>>>> change
>>>> all the current Infrastructure Telecommunications because its more
>>>> rubbish than its communication land line cant stand with Internet
>>>> connection 8m and its not secure at all
>>>>
>>>> so we work around and find out way to decrees the costs to be lower
>>>> than
>>>> the current cost of normal election
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ashraf Bendary
>>>> Web Developer & ICT Support & Linux system ENG
>>>> M. +2 0140050077  E. ash_bendary at yahoo.com
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>>>> *From:* Ahmed Kamal <email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com>
>>>>
>>>> *To:* Ubuntu Egypt LoCo Team <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 7, 2011 11:28 AM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ubuntu-eg] open source voting system for egyptian
>>>> election
>>>>
>>>> I had studied the topic to some length before, and discussed with
>>>> various
>>>> experts. AFAIU, the main obstacle to making "secure" e-voting, is the
>>>> lack
>>>> of electronic ID card, that employs a chip holding your private keys,
>>>> in
>>>> a
>>>> nation-wide PKI system that is legally binding. As long as we don't
>>>> have
>>>> that, it cannot be done in a mathematically verifiable secure and
>>>> secret
>>>> scenario.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:22 AM, Ashraf Bendary
>>>> <ash_bendary at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> sorry mohamed i disagree with u there is alot of ways to make it secure
>>>> more than the paper and it was already in study when essam sharf was
>>>> the
>>>> prime minister this topic was my group graduate project in the post
>>>> graduate in faculty of computer since of Ain shams university and
>>>> believe
>>>> me when i say there is allot of ways to apply it with maximum securty
>>>> even
>>>> more than the paper that need to transfer in the street and count by
>>>> human
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ashraf Bendary
>>>> Web Developer & ICT Support & Linux system ENG
>>>> M. +2 0140050077  E. ash_bendary at yahoo.com
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>>>> *From:* Mohammad AbuShady <coalwater5 at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> *To:* Ubuntu Egypt LoCo Team <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 6, 2011 10:12 AM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ubuntu-eg] open source voting system for egyptian
>>>> election
>>>>
>>>> I agree with ahmed toulan about something, this system can't be applied
>>>> at least not soon because of the corruption in our political system,
>>>> implementing such methods would give people who seek power an easy way
>>>> to
>>>> gaining it, no paper needed no nothing, just altering/adding few
>>>> records
>>>> in
>>>> a data base would do the trick, of course they'll need to get access
>>>> through the person who has it but I believe it won't be that hard.
>>>> Right now I'd stick with the supervised terminals located in certain
>>>> places but also keep the old paper and ink, just to have some thing to
>>>> verify with and probably one or two more things to keep people from
>>>> voting
>>>> for other people, at the beginning we'll just make it faster to
>>>> determine
>>>> the winning people, but when things get stable we can use more
>>>> features,
>>>> like real time statistics and such, (remember that firefox download
>>>> counter
>>>> for firefox 4?)
>>>> On Dec 6, 2011 9:48 AM, "Processing Qbits" <processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My graduation project is E-Voting over the internet and mobile....we're
>>>> currently researching different technologies for connections, load
>>>> balancing and security techniques...for reliability, security,
>>>> efficiency
>>>> and effectiveness....and it will include terminals for those who do not
>>>> have internet/mobile access or those who can not read/write and we
>>>> might
>>>> introduce methods for the disabled
>>>>
>>>> Estonia had internet evoting since 2009 and it issued mobile evoting
>>>> this
>>>> year....the US tested an internet evoting system on a small scale and
>>>> it
>>>> proved reliable but it was discontinued due to political/military
>>>> reasons
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Ahmed Toulan
>>>> <thelinuxer at ubuntu.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> According to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting:
>>>> In general, two main types of e-Voting can be
>>>> identified:<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting#cite_note-0><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting#cite_note-Zissis.26Lekkas-1>
>>>>
>>>>    - e-voting which is physically supervised by representatives of
>>>>    governmental or independent electoral authorities (e.g. electronic
>>>> voting
>>>>    machines located at polling stations);
>>>>    - remote e-Voting where voting is performed within the voter's sole
>>>>    influence, and is not physically supervised by representatives of
>>>>    governmental authorities (e.g. voting from one's personal
>>>> computer,mobile
>>>>    phone,television via the internet (i-voting).
>>>>
>>>> IMO It's a little bit hard to expect remote e-voting at our current
>>>> state. Since it won't be remote we won't reach the 100% Khaled expects.
>>>> Also, we should expect a lot of fraud especially that those who will
>>>> supervise the whole process are the ones we don't trust. And it will be
>>>> really hard to trace..
>>>>
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