[Ubuntu-eg] open source voting system for egyptian election

Sun Dec 11 11:08:42 UTC 2011

"*We need all the help we can get!*" May I know where are you implementing
this ? or rather who's pushing it ... I might be able to help

On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Processing Qbits <
processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ah, I apologize, I have been very busy lately I forgot about this email!
>
> First of all, about the security, it is without doubt one of our main
> concerns, the security mechanism...the use of usernames and passwords, the
> use of certificates, VPNs etc....we have quite a load at our hands...
>
> We need all the help we can get! We will also work with clusters (most
> probably) to support proper load balancing...
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Ashraf Bendary <ash_bendary at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> i totally agree with u to dont trust mathematically verifiable secure
>> its right if u look to from this side
>>
>> actually if u think about e-voting in egypt u will have some challenges :
>>
>> 1- trust
>>
>> we find out that we can make it like safe with two key one the human and
>> one with Machine
>>
>> that's why in our study we keep the judge and Civil society Representatives
>>
>> so if u dont trust in them u  can trust in machine if u dont trust in
>> machine u can trust in them
>>
>> 2- law
>>
>> we find out that if we want to make system for egypt it mast be suitable
>> for egypt law
>>
>> e-voting is impossible with the current law and we cant change the law
>> just for the system
>>
>> so we work around with the system and make it fit the current law
>>
>> 3- cost
>>
>> to apply the e-voting in egypt its too expensive because u need to change
>> all the current Infrastructure Telecommunications because its more
>> rubbish than its communication land line cant stand with Internet
>> connection 8m and its not secure at all
>>
>> so we work around and find out way to decrees the costs to be lower than
>> the current cost of normal election
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Ashraf Bendary
>> Web Developer & ICT Support & Linux system ENG
>> M. +2 0140050077  E. ash_bendary at yahoo.com
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>> *From:* Ahmed Kamal <email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com>
>>
>> *To:* Ubuntu Egypt LoCo Team <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 7, 2011 11:28 AM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ubuntu-eg] open source voting system for egyptian
>> election
>>
>> I had studied the topic to some length before, and discussed with various
>> experts. AFAIU, the main obstacle to making "secure" e-voting, is the lack
>> of electronic ID card, that employs a chip holding your private keys, in a
>> nation-wide PKI system that is legally binding. As long as we don't have
>> that, it cannot be done in a mathematically verifiable secure and secret
>> scenario.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:22 AM, Ashraf Bendary <ash_bendary at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>> sorry mohamed i disagree with u there is alot of ways to make it secure
>> more than the paper and it was already in study when essam sharf was the
>> prime minister this topic was my group graduate project in the post
>> graduate in faculty of computer since of Ain shams university and believe
>> me when i say there is allot of ways to apply it with maximum securty even
>> more than the paper that need to transfer in the street and count by human
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Ashraf Bendary
>> Web Developer & ICT Support & Linux system ENG
>> M. +2 0140050077  E. ash_bendary at yahoo.com
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>> *From:* Mohammad AbuShady <coalwater5 at gmail.com>
>>
>> *To:* Ubuntu Egypt LoCo Team <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 6, 2011 10:12 AM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ubuntu-eg] open source voting system for egyptian
>> election
>>
>> I agree with ahmed toulan about something, this system can't be applied
>> at least not soon because of the corruption in our political system,
>> implementing such methods would give people who seek power an easy way to
>> gaining it, no paper needed no nothing, just altering/adding few records in
>> a data base would do the trick, of course they'll need to get access
>> through the person who has it but I believe it won't be that hard.
>> Right now I'd stick with the supervised terminals located in certain
>> places but also keep the old paper and ink, just to have some thing to
>> verify with and probably one or two more things to keep people from voting
>> for other people, at the beginning we'll just make it faster to determine
>> the winning people, but when things get stable we can use more features,
>> like real time statistics and such, (remember that firefox download counter
>> for firefox 4?)
>> On Dec 6, 2011 9:48 AM, "Processing Qbits" <processingqbits at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> My graduation project is E-Voting over the internet and mobile....we're
>> currently researching different technologies for connections, load
>> balancing and security techniques...for reliability, security, efficiency
>> and effectiveness....and it will include terminals for those who do not
>> have internet/mobile access or those who can not read/write and we might
>> introduce methods for the disabled
>>
>> Estonia had internet evoting since 2009 and it issued mobile evoting this
>> year....the US tested an internet evoting system on a small scale and it
>> proved reliable but it was discontinued due to political/military reasons
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Ahmed Toulan <thelinuxer at ubuntu.com>wrote:
>>
>> According to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting:
>> In general, two main types of e-Voting can be identified:<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting#cite_note-0><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting#cite_note-Zissis.26Lekkas-1>
>>
>>    - e-voting which is physically supervised by representatives of
>>    governmental or independent electoral authorities (e.g. electronic voting
>>    machines located at polling stations);
>>    - remote e-Voting where voting is performed within the voter's sole
>>    influence, and is not physically supervised by representatives of
>>    governmental authorities (e.g. voting from one's personal computer,mobile
>>    phone,television via the internet (i-voting).
>>
>> IMO It's a little bit hard to expect remote e-voting at our current
>> state. Since it won't be remote we won't reach the 100% Khaled expects.
>> Also, we should expect a lot of fraud especially that those who will
>> supervise the whole process are the ones we don't trust. And it will be
>> really hard to trace..
>>
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