ubuntu-education Digest, Vol 30, Issue 3
Usman Butt
usman at twenty4seven.com.pk
Mon Jan 25 07:18:46 GMT 2010
Passively active. Welcome David!
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1. Re: Hi! (Arnold Pietersen)
2. Re: Hi! (Miles Berry)
3. Re: Hi! (Guru ????)
4. Re: Hi! (Jason Morgan)
5. Re: Hi! (Onatawahtaw)
6. Re: ubuntu-education Digest, Vol 30, Issue 2 (Paul Franz)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:05:34 +0200
From: Arnold Pietersen <arnold.pietersen at cecs.org.za>
Subject: Re: Hi!
To: David Groos <djgroos at gmail.com>
Cc: ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com
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David Groos wrote:
> Hi People!
>
> I've just subscribed to this list. It doesn't look like there has been
> much activity for a few months. Would you please hit the
> reply/reply-to-all button to show your current active status? I'd be
> interrested in an ubuntu-education revival!
>
> Thanks!
> David
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:37:39 +0000
From: Miles Berry <mgberry at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Hi!
To: ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com
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I lurk here, having moved on from teaching ICT in a primary school and
running its (edubuntu) computer lab to teacher training for primary ICT.
I also look after the UK's Open Source Schools community (
http://opensourceschools.org.uk), which is supported by our national ed tech
agency and is an online and face to face community of practice with 500 or
so members.
Best wishes,
Miles.
2010/1/22 David Groos <djgroos at gmail.com>
> Hi People!
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> ubuntu-education revival!
>
> Thanks!
> David
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:14:40 +0530
From: Guru ???? <guru at itforchange.net>
Subject: Re: Hi!
To: Jeremy Fluhmann <jeremy.fluhmann at wintersisd.org>, Anupama
<anupama at itforchange.net>, "ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com"
<ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com>
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Jeremy Fluhmann wrote:
> I'm here! I'm the Technology Director for Winters ISD out here in the
> West Texas area. I'm also the current president of a statewide K-16
> open source group here in Texas. I'm in the process of converting
> some computer labs over to Ubuntu (possibly Edubuntu) and using
> Virtual Bridges VDI to provide Windows desktops when needed (such as
> for PLATO). Another goal after implementing Virtual Bridges VDI is to
> start replacing desktops with thin clients, as needed and where
> appropriate, and publish both a Windows and Ubuntu desktop via VDI.
>
> I've poked a few people about putting together an 'Open Source in
> Education' journal. If anyone on the list is interested, I'll try to
> set something up where we can collaborate together on the idea.
>
Great idea!! I work on capacity building programs on Ubuntu and Ubuntu
tools with teachers and teacher educators in Karnataka state in India
Gurumurthy Kasinathan
IT for Change
Bridging Development Realities and Technological Possibilities
Tel:98454 37730
www.ITforChange.net
http://Public-Software.in
http://content-commons.in
*IT for Change is an NGO in Special Consultative Status with United Nations?
Economic and Social Council*
> David Groos wrote:
>> Hi People!
>>
>> I've just subscribed to this list. It doesn't look like there has
>> been much activity for a few months. Would you please hit the
>> reply/reply-to-all button to show your current active status? I'd be
>> interrested in an ubuntu-education revival!
>>
>> Thanks!
>> David
>
> --
>
> Jeremy Fluhmann
> /Technology Director/
> /Winters ISD/
> /Futuristic - Analytical - Ideation - Relator - Learner/
> /http://twitter.com/jfluhmann/
> /http://identi.ca/jfluhmann/
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:14:08 -0600
From: Jason Morgan <kal.el.72 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Hi!
To: Guru ???? <guru at itforchange.net>, Jeremy Fluhmann
<jeremy.fluhmann at wintersisd.org>, Anupama
<anupama at itforchange.net>,
"ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com"
<ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com>
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This is very cool and I'm quite surprised how this sprang back to life
so quickly with only a little prod. I'm very happy to hear of the
Texas Linux Fest and I plan to try and attend since I'm in Oklahoma.
On 1/23/10, Guru ???? <guru at itforchange.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Jeremy Fluhmann wrote:
>> I'm here! I'm the Technology Director for Winters ISD out here in the
>> West Texas area. I'm also the current president of a statewide K-16
>> open source group here in Texas. I'm in the process of converting
>> some computer labs over to Ubuntu (possibly Edubuntu) and using
>> Virtual Bridges VDI to provide Windows desktops when needed (such as
>> for PLATO). Another goal after implementing Virtual Bridges VDI is to
>> start replacing desktops with thin clients, as needed and where
>> appropriate, and publish both a Windows and Ubuntu desktop via VDI.
>>
>> I've poked a few people about putting together an 'Open Source in
>> Education' journal. If anyone on the list is interested, I'll try to
>> set something up where we can collaborate together on the idea.
>>
> Great idea!! I work on capacity building programs on Ubuntu and Ubuntu
> tools with teachers and teacher educators in Karnataka state in India
>
> Gurumurthy Kasinathan
> IT for Change
> Bridging Development Realities and Technological Possibilities
> Tel:98454 37730
> www.ITforChange.net
> http://Public-Software.in
> http://content-commons.in
> *IT for Change is an NGO in Special Consultative Status with United
Nations?
> Economic and Social Council*
>
>
>> David Groos wrote:
>>> Hi People!
>>>
>>> I've just subscribed to this list. It doesn't look like there has
>>> been much activity for a few months. Would you please hit the
>>> reply/reply-to-all button to show your current active status? I'd be
>>> interrested in an ubuntu-education revival!
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> David
>>
>> --
>>
>> Jeremy Fluhmann
>> /Technology Director/
>> /Winters ISD/
>> /Futuristic - Analytical - Ideation - Relator - Learner/
>> /http://twitter.com/jfluhmann/
>> /http://identi.ca/jfluhmann/
>>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:41:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Onatawahtaw <onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Hi!
To: ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com
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Hi David,
Let the revival begin! :)
-Kevin
--- On Fri, 1/22/10, David Groos <djgroos at gmail.com> wrote:
From: David Groos <djgroos at gmail.com>
Subject: Hi!
To: ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:38 PM
Hi People!
I've just subscribed to this list.? It doesn't look like there has been much
activity for a few months.? Would you please hit the reply/reply-to-all
button to show your current active status?? I'd be interrested in an
ubuntu-education revival!
Thanks!
David
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:12:31 -0800
From: Paul Franz <paulefranz at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: ubuntu-education Digest, Vol 30, Issue 2
To: ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com
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Hi everyone,
I've been on the list for a little while too, but have noticed the lack of
activity.
I'm currently an MA student in Stanford's Learning, Design, and Technology
program. Definitely interested in the role of open-source in an
increasingly digital education world. Of course, it's not just about seeing
what happens, but making it happen.
Best,
Paul Franz
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:17 PM,
<ubuntu-education-request at lists.ubuntu.com>wrote:
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> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: Hi! (Steve Rippl)
> 2. Re: Hi! (Joshua Fahler)
> 3. Re: Hi! (Sim?n Ruiz)
> 4. Re: Hi! (kal.el.72 at gmail.com)
> 5. Re: Hi! (David Groos)
> 6. Re: Hi! (Matt Burkhardt)
> 7. Re: Hi! (Jeremy Fluhmann)
> 8. Re: Hi! (Belinda Lopez)
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:49:54 -0800
> From: Steve Rippl <rippls at woodlandschools.org>
> Subject: Re: Hi!
> To: David Groos <djgroos at gmail.com>
> Cc: ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <4B5A0F72.2050004 at woodlandschools.org>
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> Present! :-)
>
> Steve
>
> (If you're serious about this I will try and get some of our
> "Tech-savvy/opensource" teachers to tune in...)
>
>
>
> David Groos wrote:
> > Hi People!
> >
> > I've just subscribed to this list. It doesn't look like there has
> > been much activity for a few months. Would you please hit the
> > reply/reply-to-all button to show your current active status? I'd be
> > interrested in an ubuntu-education revival!
> >
> > Thanks!
> > David
>
> --
> Steve Rippl
> Technology Director
> Woodland Public Schools
> 360 225 9451 x326
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:58:31 -0600
> From: Joshua Fahler <jfahler at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Hi!
> To: ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID:
> <c41cc3471001221258w700629d0ue81cef22127861e6 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I'm a social studies teacher in the Houston area and will be soon pursuing
> a
> Master's in Instructional Technology. In addition, I'm interested in what
> open source/ubuntu have to offer to my class.
>
> -Josh
>
http://www.personal.kent.edu/~jfahler<http://www.personal.kent.edu/%7Ejfahle
r>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Steve Rippl <rippls at woodlandschools.org
> >wrote:
>
> > Present! :-)
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > (If you're serious about this I will try and get some of our
> > "Tech-savvy/opensource" teachers to tune in...)
> >
> >
> >
> > David Groos wrote:
> > > Hi People!
> > >
> > > I've just subscribed to this list. It doesn't look like there has
> > > been much activity for a few months. Would you please hit the
> > > reply/reply-to-all button to show your current active status? I'd be
> > > interrested in an ubuntu-education revival!
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > David
> >
> > --
> > Steve Rippl
> > Technology Director
> > Woodland Public Schools
> > 360 225 9451 x326
> >
> >
> > --
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:42:03 -0500
> From: Sim?n Ruiz <simon.a.ruiz at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Hi!
> To: David Groos <djgroos at gmail.com>
> Cc: ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID:
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> Alive and kicking, here at Canterbury School in North-east Indiana.
>
> Sim?n
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:38 PM, David Groos <djgroos at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi People!
> >
> > I've just subscribed to this list.? It doesn't look like there has been
> much
> > activity for a few months.? Would you please hit the reply/reply-to-all
> > button to show your current active status?? I'd be interrested in an
> > ubuntu-education revival!
> >
> > Thanks!
> > David
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-education mailing list
> > ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-education
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> >
>
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>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:43:21 +0000
> From: kal.el.72 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: Hi!
> To: " Sim?n Ruiz " <simon.a.ruiz at gmail.com>,
> ubuntu-education-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com, "David Groos"
> <djgroos at gmail.com>
> Cc: ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com
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> CareerTeh teacher in Oklahoma here.
> ------Original Message------
> From: Sim?n Ruiz
> Sender: ubuntu-education-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com
> To: David Groos
> Cc: ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Hi!
> Sent: Jan 22, 2010 15:42
>
> Alive and kicking, here at Canterbury School in North-east Indiana.
>
> Sim?n
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:38 PM, David Groos <djgroos at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi People!
> >
> > I've just subscribed to this list.? It doesn't look like there has been
> much
> > activity for a few months.? Would you please hit the reply/reply-to-all
> > button to show your current active status?? I'd be interrested in an
> > ubuntu-education revival!
> >
> > Thanks!
> > David
> >
> > --
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> > ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:46:23 -0600
> From: David Groos <djgroos at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Hi!
> To: ubuntu-education <ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID:
> <195a0731001221346y75d6b693j915ef7c27d06fb1c at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Wow! That was quick -- responses from 5 different people in less than 30
> minutes... I know Steve R is also present in the Edubuntu user list.
> Anyone else? I ask because a number of people have been discussing (in
> Edubuntu circles) how to bring more teacher-ish participation into the
> edubuntu world. I should say, I've been teaching full time since 1989 in
> New York City for 2 years and the rest of time here in Minneapolis
> Minnesota
> USA. I'm working on several science education ideas involving Ed/Ubuntu
> and
> technology, well there's lots of details (
> http://plonedev.mpls.k12.mn.us/gcos) also on http://groosd.blogspot.com.
> Thanks for your responses. Here's another question--what would you
> *really*like out of this listserv (weather or not it currently meets
> this wish)?
> Also, want to hit, 'reply-to-all' to keep all in the loop?
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
> 2 more people since starting this reply!
>
>
> > > Hi People!
> > >
> > > I've just subscribed to this list. It doesn't look like there has
been
> > much activity for a few months. Would you please hit the
> reply/reply-to-all
> > button to show your current active status? I'd be interrested in an
> > ubuntu-education revival!
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > David
> > > --
> > > ubuntu-education mailing list
> > > ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com
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> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:25:09 -0500
> From: Matt Burkhardt <mlb at imparisystems.com>
> Subject: Re: Hi!
> To: David Groos <djgroos at gmail.com>
> Cc: ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <1264199109.8248.0.camel at mlb-dell>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> Still out here!
>
> On Fri, 2010-01-22 at 14:38 -0600, David Groos wrote:
>
> > Hi People!
> >
> > I've just subscribed to this list. It doesn't look like there has
> > been much activity for a few months. Would you please hit the
> > reply/reply-to-all button to show your current active status? I'd be
> > interrested in an ubuntu-education revival!
> >
> > Thanks!
> > David
>
>
>
> Matt Burkhardt
> Impari Systems, Inc.
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> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:24:42 -0600
> From: Jeremy Fluhmann <jeremy.fluhmann at wintersisd.org>
> Subject: Re: Hi!
> To: ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <4B5A33BA.60708 at wintersisd.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I'm here! I'm the Technology Director for Winters ISD out here in the
> West Texas area. I'm also the current president of a statewide K-16
> open source group here in Texas. I'm in the process of converting some
> computer labs over to Ubuntu (possibly Edubuntu) and using Virtual
> Bridges VDI to provide Windows desktops when needed (such as for
> PLATO). Another goal after implementing Virtual Bridges VDI is to start
> replacing desktops with thin clients, as needed and where appropriate,
> and publish both a Windows and Ubuntu desktop via VDI.
>
> I've poked a few people about putting together an 'Open Source in
> Education' journal. If anyone on the list is interested, I'll try to
> set something up where we can collaborate together on the idea.
>
> David Groos wrote:
> > Hi People!
> >
> > I've just subscribed to this list. It doesn't look like there has
> > been much activity for a few months. Would you please hit the
> > reply/reply-to-all button to show your current active status? I'd be
> > interrested in an ubuntu-education revival!
> >
> > Thanks!
> > David
>
> --
>
> Jeremy Fluhmann
> /Technology Director/
> /Winters ISD/
> /Futuristic - Analytical - Ideation - Relator - Learner/
> /http://twitter.com/jfluhmann/
> /http://identi.ca/jfluhmann/
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> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:17:02 -0600
> From: Belinda Lopez <belinda.lopez at canonical.com>
> Subject: Re: Hi!
> To: Joshua Fahler <jfahler at gmail.com>
> Cc: ubuntu-education at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <4B5A864E.6010605 at canonical.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi all!
>
> Belinda/Dinda here, Training Project Manager at Canonical & Houston &
> Texas Loco teams. Working on all things education in Open Source.
>
> Joshua Fahler wrote:
> > I'm a social studies teacher in the Houston area and will be soon
> > pursuing a Master's in Instructional Technology. In addition, I'm
> > interested in what open source/ubuntu have to offer to my class.
>
> Great! I did my Master's work at UHCL in Instructional Technology. You
> ought to come out to the next Houston Loco team meeting. And don't miss
> the Texas Linux Fest coming up April 10 in Austin.
>
> http://www.texaslinuxfest.org (although the site seems down atm).
>
> good to see so many educators out there!
>
> cheers,
>
> Belinda
>
> >
> > -Josh
> >
http://www.personal.kent.edu/~jfahler<http://www.personal.kent.edu/%7Ejfahle
r>
> > <http://www.personal.kent.edu/%7Ejfahler>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Steve Rippl
> > <rippls at woodlandschools.org <mailto:rippls at woodlandschools.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Present! :-)
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > (If you're serious about this I will try and get some of our
> > "Tech-savvy/opensource" teachers to tune in...)
> >
> >
> >
> > David Groos wrote:
> > > Hi People!
> > >
> > > I've just subscribed to this list. It doesn't look like there has
> > > been much activity for a few months. Would you please hit the
> > > reply/reply-to-all button to show your current active status?
> > I'd be
> > > interrested in an ubuntu-education revival!
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > David
> >
> > --
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