Current wiki access status

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Peter,

I think Wikipedia is bigger than the Ubuntu help pages ;-)

The problem is not the absolute size, but the size relative to the size 
of the 'admin patrol'. And obviously we have a big problem there.

Best regards
Nio

Den 2016-06-10 kl. 17:58, skrev Peter Matulis:
> The wiki paradigm breaks down once its content reaches a certain size.
> This threshold has been reached a long time ago. Symptoms: sub-standard
> quality pages; unmaintained pages; the necessity for wiki admin patrols,
> and finally the vandalism.
>
> Is salvaging the wiki *really* worth the effort required I'm reading
> about in all these email threads?
>
> Should we not instead think of evolving? Our success appears to compel
> us to do so.
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 5:04 AM, Pasi Lallinaho <pasi at shimmerproject.org
> <mailto:pasi at shimmerproject.org>> wrote:
>
>     We will need much more than one moderator for the team.
>
>     I'm also pretty sure your expectation about the efforts spammers are
>     going to make is false. They will be trying to join the team and
>     will be doing everything they can to get in. Except sustainable,
>     "real" contributions.
>
>     All in all, the moderation will not be any easier, but at least we
>     have a clean state to begin with.
>
>     Cheers,
>     Pasi
>
>
>     On 2016-06-10 10:30, Chris Perry wrote:
>
>         People have raised/recapped some interesting points about the wiki -
>         but my main concern is to allow access to it again. The proposed
>         method sounds ok to me. popey needs to create the team? We announce
>         the team's existence and how to join it? We need at least one
>         moderator to vet applicants? I'm imagining that it won't be worth a
>         spammer's effort to make even a moderately plausible application to
>         join, so anyone who makes a moderately plausible application can be
>         allowed to join?
>
>
>         On 9 June 2016 at 23:47, Elizabeth K. Joseph <lyz at ubuntu.com
>         <mailto:lyz at ubuntu.com>> wrote:
>
>             On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Gunnar Hjalmarsson
>             <gunnarhj at ubuntu.com <mailto:gunnarhj at ubuntu.com>> wrote:
>
>                 I can't help thinking of a consequence of this, which
>                 hasn't been
>                 mentioned yet. The community help wiki is huge, and one
>                 well known
>                 problem is that it contains a lot of outdated information.
>
>         ...
>
>             I believe in the tagging system. I think it's OK to keep old
>             documentation around until someone comes along to update it
>             as long as
>             we mark it as such.
>
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