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[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

On 2016-06-08 16:47, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
> On 2016-06-08 17:16, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
>> On 2016-06-08 15:18, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
>>> Again, the problem isn't with spambots, it's about microworkers
>>> (or Mechnical Turks) who are able to pass many spam-preventing
>>> measures much easier. Especially if we tell them how they can do
>>> that.
>>> 
>>> Ultimately it comes down to telling apart a legimitate
>>> contributor and somebody who fakes to be one.
>>
>> Pasi, both what you say above, and what Elisabeth said in another 
>> message, imply that the community is no longer able to grant edit
>> access to serious community members, since we don't have the means
>> to distinguish them from vandals. Is that what you are saying? Did
>> the vandals win?
> 
> I'm not saying anybody has won.
> 
> I'm one of the administrators of the Etherpad team, and while that
> team was enabled to edit the wiki, I did some moderation. While there
> are clear cases where somebody is or is not a legimitate contributor,
> there are definintely cases where this is not clear at all.
> 
> Having to manually figure this out infinitely is not something I am 
> willing to do, and it's not realistic to think that there are enough 
> community members to do this sustainably enough. This is what me and 
> Elizabeth are saying, both with experience on the moderation.

All respect for the work you did so far. But then this - too - is
actually an issue due to lack of volunteers. Up to now this has not been
clear, at least not to me.

> Anyway, I was originally responding to Albertos idea of telling the 
> world what the applicants need to do in order to get approved to a
> team that grants them edit permissions. If we do this, I can assure
> you the moderation queue will definitely be even longer than it is
> now, and we will be pouring even more work into the moderation.

Which originally was my idea... But how on earth would it work if we
don't let people know how to get edit access? It would effectively be
equivalent to closing the wikis, wouldn't it?

> If we're struggling to find contributors to do documentation work,
> how would we suddenly find contributors to moderate?

Good question...

Maybe there are two options: Either keeping the wikis closed for
community contributions, or take a chance by opening them again as it
was before and see what happens (and taking backups before doing so...).

-- 
Gunnar Hjalmarsson
https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj