Dual-boot pages, was Fw: grub2 pages

Fri Sep 20 10:12:11 UTC 2013

Hi :)
Thanks Phill! :)  

If more than 1 person wants to edit one page then it's usually better for at least one to pick a sub-page and hen maybe have 1 person doing the main edit and the other reviewing/proof-reading when the 1st person is comfortable enough with it (or unable to carry on for a while).  The 1st person could then be reviewing/proof-reading the other person's sub-page.  

Another set of pages and sub-pages that could use an overhaul (if they haven't been scrapped already) 
is my now ancient attempt to radically re-organise the "Dual boot" page 
which was about 3 miles long and had a lot of twists and turns that most people wouldn't need and would definitely scare most people away.  

My plan had been to make 1 generic page that explained the basic idea.  
Then sub-pages to cover the usual awkward cases and both Windows ones 
because Windows users tend to be badly misinformed about all this sort 
of thing (for example in Windows a partition i called a "drive" so it 
was a shock to me when i found my shop-bought machine which proudly 
boasted having 2 hard-drives (in case 1 failed) actually had both 
"drives" on 1 physical device (so if 1 had failed they both would)).  
This page would also need a link to somewhere (possibly a sub-page) that gave handy hints on how to get a Windows Recovery Cd and how to use 
Recovery Partitions so it would need a lot of links to external 
resources such as to microsoft.com (which i am less shy about visiting 
nowadays (now that i know for certain that all the versions of Windows i use are legit) but was really edgy about back then)

So the 1st sub-page was going to be about the usual case of Windows 
already on the machine and doing as little as possible to disturb it but install Ubuntu after it and sort the boot-menu to put Windows at the 
top and make that the default.  Note that sorting the grub2 would 
probably involve just pointing at a sub-page off the Grub2 page just in 
case Grub2 suddenly makes that less trivial in the future and the 
sub-page stops working fully.  

The 2nd sub-page was to be installing Ubuntu first and then Windows 
afterwards, which has been complicated by Win7 plonking a "recovery 
partition" at the start of the drive even if that smashes up an existing partition.  So, now if an Ubuntu partition is meant to be 1st then you 
have to leave enough of a gap to let Windows do it's thing otherwise you have to reinstall Ubuntu again afterwards.  

3rd was meant to be a typical Gnu&Linux case.  Easy peasy.  

4th could have been for Mac except i had no idea so i was going to leave that or use a redirect

5th and onwards were going to cover awkward cases such as Xen or any Gnu&Linux distros that made life difficult (or easier)

Now that i have a look though it looks like someone massively fixed the older page
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
as it is sooo much shorter than i remember.  My pages are still around at 

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot
and some of the stuff on that first page never got around to being hacked 
off and put on sub-pages.  Also the Windows Dual-boot page has been 
updated but i think mine are out-dated now.  

So, it's all a bit of a kludgy mess.  Whichever set we want to have for the future probably needs some tidying (at the very least) and possibly 
stuff pulled in from the other.  Then tag the other one for demolition (well we would replace it with a redirect because some people and other pages probably do link to one or the other).  

Regards and apols from 

Tom :)

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Phill Whiteside <PhillW at Ubuntu.com>
To: David Manuel Pires <slickymaster at gmail.com> 
Cc: Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>; "ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com" <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com> 
Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2013, 22:46
Subject: Re: grub2 pages

Hi,

as from about now until Thursday is going to be quite busy for me, if you (or anyone having a try) gets stuck, ping me on IRC, channel  #ubuntu-doc (just type in phillw and I will be pinged) If I'm about then I can go through questions far quicker on IRC than on email. If I do not respond within 10 minutes, then do feel free to email. My iso testing and bug chasing role must now take priority to ensure we have a good 13.10 release :) We never know how a milestone test is going to go until we get people testing it! 

Yeah, the doc freeze is imminent. I've taken a big step back from various teams to recharge my own batteries, lubuntu and wiki / docs is currently the limit of what I will undertake. Come 14.04 I will be getting much more involved with the manual / docs / wiki side of things, it feels like I'm coming home!

@all, never be worried to ping me, if I'm about I'll answer within about 10 minutes. If you get used to having the #ubuntu-doc area open, then I will always respond to a ping.

Regards,

Phill.

On 19 September 2013 22:17, David Manuel Pires <slickymaster at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi guys,
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>On 19 September 2013 21:31, Phill Whiteside <PhillW at ubuntu.com> wrote:
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>That page would be an excellent one for people to cut their teeth with! 
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>>To those who are taking the plunge, may I give a little piece of personal advice? When editing a page and you're not 100% of a formatting option, open up the two links provided when you enter editing mode:
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>>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnEditing and  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnMoinWikiSyntax as separate tabs. In fact, I'd go as far as to suggest bookmarking them and reading through them in small chunks over several days. It really is good information. (I have them both bookmarked).
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>>Do not worry about messing up, use the preview button to see how things look. If you get really confused as to where you are you up to, use the cancel button. Also remember that unless you actually delete attachments any alterations can be rolled back. There is nothing to fear in wiki editing except fear itself :)
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>>Regards,
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>>Phill.
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>Even though I'm a complete newbie at it, I would like to help an to take a stab at it, provided I get some help and tutoring from you.
>We all have to start somewhere I do want to take a plunge into it, now that my work with the Manual Team, editing the 13.10 upcoming manual, is almost done.
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>Regards,
>David
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>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster
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>>On 19 September 2013 21:24, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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>>Hi Phill :)  
>>>I think we might well be able to handle this one without you!  The main aim was to find something people could useful get embroiled in so that they can rack-up some questions about wiki-editing.  
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>>>So, don't worry about this one this time chap :)
>>>Regards from 
>>>Tom :)  
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>>>________________________________
>>> From: Phill Whiteside <phillw at vpolink.com>
>>>To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk> 
>>>Cc: MARTIN DIXON <mh.dixon at btinternet.com>; "ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com" <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com> 
>>>Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2013, 21:02
>>>Subject: Re: grub2 pages
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>>>I should be able to help out with grub2 stuff, I'd need to dust off the cobwebs but I did work with drs305 (Dave Stan) on getting instructions up back when grub2 was launched. However, I do ask that everyone understand that as an iso-tester and admin guy for lubuntu-qa my time is getting a bit more limited as we approach the release of 13.10. The final beta is out on Monday with lubuntu having 7 sets of ISO's to test by Thursday, along with a rather ugly bug that has just cropped up this late in the cycle in the kernel, it's a getting busy!
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>>>Regards,
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>>>Phill.
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>>>On 19 September 2013 20:52, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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>>>Hi :)
>>>>I think all the technical stuff is there so it's hopefully just a case of deleting my bit about "signposting from older links" and then maybe smoothing out some of the rest of it and maybe de-geekifying some bits.  
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>>>>So, i suspect that you might be an ideal person for the challenge.  You probably wont be able to read the whole page because there is quite a lot of it so maybe just do a small chunk at a time.  
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>>>>I think the idea is that each paragraph might be enough of a nudge to someone who used to know the subject area but then gives a link to people who need more detail?  Although it might be that paragraphs are just a brief intro before giving the link to the relevant sub-page.  I'm not sure which is best in each case.  
>>>>Regards from 
>>>>Tom :)  
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>>>> From: MARTIN DIXON <mh.dixon at btinternet.com>
>>>>To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>; "ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com" <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com> 
>>>>Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2013, 20:39
>>>>Subject: Re: grub2 pages
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>>>>@Tom How much of a challenge for one who knows nothing about Grub or sub-pages?  Serious question - the bigger the challenge the more you learn.
>>>>           (Dentist tomorrow so don't rush back)
>>>>Regards Martin
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>>>> From: Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>To: "ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com" <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com> 
>>>>Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2013, 19:41
>>>>Subject: grub2 pages
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>>>>Hi :)
>>>>If anyone or a group of people are looking for something to get their teeth into the the Grub2 pages might usefully be tidied up a bit.  
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>>>>Someone really keen tried to modularise it by taking chunks out to form their own sub-pages.  He was well on the way to making that 1st page much easier to use and navigate through but some fool got involved and the mission went a bit sideways.  I think all that bit in "Displays" about "Signposting from older links" should come out now imo.  (yes, the fool was me).  All that is really needed in the "Displays" tiny section is the link to 
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>>>>Grub2/Displays 
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>>>>which is a large enough sub-page (off the main Grub2 page) in it's own right.  
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>>>>Seeing how the other chap set-up that sub-page and the other ones he did is a good way of learning a wiki-editing skill that few understand, sub-pages, and how easy it is to do a relative link to them.  
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>>>>Regards from 
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>>>>Tom :)  
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