localization of the wiki

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Yes, i was just supporting your general point with a couple of
examples of why not to translate all the pages en-masse.

There are no copyright issues afaik.  It's using the CC-by-SA license
isn't it?  So people could even copy, modify and try to sell things
from the wiki.  I don't even have a problem with it if people do that.
 LibreOffice sells books under CC-by-SA licenses through the various
OSes stores (like App Store etc) and the Lulu bookstore.  They make
enough to give the TDF a small but healthy surplus.  For some reason
some people would rather pay money for a printed version rather than
do a couple more clicks to get a free online version.
Regards from
Tom :)


On 10 December 2013 16:01, Hannie Dumoleyn <lafeber-dumoleyn2 at zonnet.nl> wrote:
> op 10-12-13 15:25, Tom Davies schreef:
>> Hi :)
>> I don't think it's a good idea to translate the wiki.  I'd say yes to
>> translating official documentation but no to community docs.
> Hi Tom,
> This is what I mean when, in my comment below, I said: quote
> It is impossible to translate all the wiki pages, but.....etc. unquote
> If LoCo teams want to translate certain interesting pages and publish
> those on their website's documentation pages, they will do it in their
> own format. I do not think there are any copyright issues, because isn't
> the wiki help documentation written under the Creative Commons License?
> Hannie
>>
>> Community Documentation is meant to be a benefit to a community NOT to
>> become a burden to them.  The language is meant to be more fluid and
>> kinda "street level" (common usage) whereas the official docs are
>> sometimes a bit formal and "stuffy".  So, some of it is very couched
>> in the culture it's written for.  Plus we have just had a huge
>> discussion about some pages possibly being out-of-date and in need of
>> updating.
>>
>> So i think just let people grab pages they want to translate and
>> either only use them for guidance and ideas rather than doing a formal
>> translation of the exact(ish) contents.
>>
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10 December 2013 12:24, Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I am referring to the community one. the only way i can think of doign it is
>>> if Moinmoin supports something like pootle where we can pull the strings
>>> into pootle for translation teams and then roll out pages obviously in that
>>> translated language.
>>>
>>> how does moin moin handle multiple languages already? I am sure l10n support
>>> would just need to be enabled. Another option would be to give each Loco
>>> team their own wiki for their respective language
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Hannie Dumoleyn
>>> <lafeber-dumoleyn2 at zonnet.nl> wrote:
>>>> op 10-12-13 09:00, Jonathan Aquilina schreef:
>>>>
>>>> One thing I havent seen discussed is how do we encourage the LOCO teams to
>>>> translate the wiki as well as have the tags auto added to the Loco pages as
>>>> well as translated.
>>>>
>>>> This is just an idea here.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have a look at my comment here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/NEBLAcp4eo
>>>>
>>>> How should we handle translated pages?
>>>>
>>>> As far as I know, the wiki pages are not translated. There has been some
>>>> discussion about this. Many LoCo teams have documentation in their language
>>>> on their site, examples: http://wiki.ubuntu-nl.org/ and
>>>> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/
>>>> It is impossible to translate all the wiki pages, but perhaps LoCo teams
>>>> can translate the most interesting pages and publish them on their own site,
>>>> it is up to them I guess.
>>>> Or do you mean: people who contribute to the (official?) wiki help
>>>> documentation, writing the page in another language than English?
>>>>
>>>> ----
>>>> Hannie
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