orphans and other things

[Phil Bull]

Hi Phill,

On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 22:47 +0100, Phillip Whiteside wrote:
> Now that things 'seem' to have decided on the use of Mallard for the
> new documentation system and the 'fun' of getting wiki pages over to
> it, my question may seem somewhat mundane. I first got interested in
> the docs area as I could see people using out of date documentation
> and having problems. As part of this I understand that there is a list
> of 'orphaned' pages at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OrphanedPages
> Having spent some time checking on two that are dear to my heart (Grub
> & LAMP), I find that the 'orphaned' pages are not orphans, but
> correctly being pointed to. Having had a further 'nag' to my contact
> as I learn these things, I find that I cannot remove them from the
> list (It requires wiki Admin rank, which I do understand is not given
> lightly - but I would like to know what further checks should be
> carried out as per
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/DeletingAndRenaming  

OrphanedPages is automatically generated, so even wiki admins can't edit
the list. Can you point me to a page which links to one of the
non-orphaned pages on the list? I'm wondering whether a different type
of link has been used, and that's what's confusing the "orphan catcher".

> In fact there seems no procedure to have this cross linking between
> the various wiki type entries. For example, on the orphan list #189 is
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2?action=show&redirect=GRUB2
> which seems rather odd, as https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 points to it,
> but no other pages on help.ubuntu.com/community do. In the case of
> LAMP, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP points to
> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/index.html one which I've
> already said I am going to help with for those of us who want / need
> to put a server system onto our computer as we learn about servers
> either as self-learn or at college / university.

The stuff on help.ubuntu.com is different to the stuff on
help.ubuntu.com/community. The former is static web pages generated from
the system docs; the latter is a MoinMoin wiki, editable by all. Is this
what you're referring to, or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

> Is the new system still going to be built
> around https://help.ubuntu.com/community ? Or has that also
> changed :-)

Which new system, Mallard? The Mallard docs will be built out to static
HTML on help.ubuntu.com, and won't be put into help.ubuntu.com/community
(the wiki). The system docs and wiki docs will still be kept separate,
unless anyone can figure out how to get them working together better!

Thanks,

Phil

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Phil Bull
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