Replace wiki.ubuntu.com with help.ubuntu.com/commmunity

[Charlie Kravetz]

On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:51:18 -0800 (PST)
"Marc K." <mk at technomensch.net> wrote:

> I'm sure several of you are looking at that subject line and
> thinking- "you have got to be kidding me"; but I am very serious.
> 
> As you imagine, there is a very large confusion between
> help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com.
> 
> I cannot imagine the number of people who go to wiki.ubuntu.com
> looking for "Community" Ubuntu Help or get there by searching for
> "Ubuntu Wiki" in Google or Yahoo.  Then they get to wiki.ubuntu.com
> and are completely thrown for a loop.
> 
> I know this is really going to ruffle some feathers, and possibly
> throw everyone up in arms, but I started thinking about this in a
> logical manner, and I believe this can be done with little work and
> not a lot of confusion.
> 
> The important thing to keep in mind is that both wiki.ubuntu.com and 
> help.ubuntu.com are essentially Virtual Hosts pointing to the same A 
> records:
> 
> wiki.ubuntu.com has address 91.189.90.19
> help.ubuntu.com has address 91.189.90.19
> 
> Here is my thought process:
> 
> 1) Set up the Virtual Host: team.ubuntu.com
> 2) Have it point to the same directory as the files and database
> currently housing the files for wiki.ubuntu.com
> 
> At this point, "technically", both wiki.ubuntu.com and
> team.ubuntu.com are both pointing to the exact same directory and
> database on the server.
> 
> 3) Change  "help.ubuntu.com/community" into the VirtualHost 
> "wiki.ubuntu.com" and set up a redirect.
> 
> This would leave us with:
> 
> a) help.ubuntu.com- The Official Help Documents
> b) wiki.ubuntu.com- Community Help Wiki
> - Would the central location for WikiGuide, PageCreation, Formatting, 
> etc....
> c) teams.ubuntu.com- The Community Team Wiki
> 
> In fact, we can also set up guides.ubuntu.com for the Server and
> Switching guides, etc....
> 
> I would think this would only break a small amount of links that we
> can fix manually.
> 
> Unfortunately, I foreseee this would as something that the entire 
> community would need to approve, but it just makes common sense.
> 
> Would there be harm in considering this modification for the Jaunty 
> release?
> 
> Well, the only BIG issue I can foresee is everyone getting upset that
> it breaks their local bookmarks.
> 
> Marc K.
> 
I have three websites with the same A records, but they are separate
and distinct websites. I was under the impression that wiki.ubuntu.com
was for developers and teams, while help.ubuntu.com was for users
documentation. 

Perhaps a title change that makes that clear would be better. I believe
they are using two separate instances of MoinMoin, too. Isn't that why
you log into them separately? Logging into one does not log you into
both automatically. 

A simple title change for one or both would be easier than combining
them, would it not? And at the same time, could a reference be used in
the title, telling users in wiki.ubuntu.com that they should go to
help.ubuntu.com/community/ instead.

just a thought,

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