Wiki Issues

[Duncan Lithgow]

On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 20:19 +1000, Naaman Campbell wrote:
> Duncan,
> 
> I understand your frustrations with the Wiki at the moment and I would
> like to continue dialog on the issue.  Basically, I need someone like
> yourself to help make the necessary changes on the Wiki.  You have a
> lot of energy to put into improving one of the main sources of
> documentation for Ubuntu.
Yeps I _usually_ enjoy using wiki and am happy to put time into it,
especially working on uniformity and structure.

> Take the time to read my efforts at cleaning up the Wiki, which I am
> working on at the moment, at
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiCleanupProposal and make a decision on
> whether or not you would like to help out with the goals. 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiToDo lists the order of what needs to be
> done first in the WikiCleanupProposal.
I will read those

> Moving back one step, I would like the ieee1394 page moved back to be
> directly under the main root of the Wiki for uniformity reasons.  No
> other pages are under the UserDocumentation page and there is no
> intention do change this in the near future.
This is where I start having a real big problem with the way you are
using the wiki. I am contributing, I am not making the wiki worse by
putting the pages where I think they should go. Stop reverting my
changes - just because a page isn't writen doesn't mean I'm not going to
write it. This is what I'm working on now - video editing with Kino. If
you just run around after people reverting their changes they get pissed
of and stop bothering. Start doing that _after_ a structure and system
are in place - not before. Did you (re)fix the links to IEEE1394? I
sound pissed off and frustrated because I am. I'm used to being allowed
to finish what I'm doing before I get stomped on. Marking the page as
Cleanup is fine, that's exactly what you should do, but stop assuming
you already know how everything should be done.

> As for CategoryCleanup, you do raise a valid point and I look forward
> to meeting with you at some stage on MSN/IRC to discuss your issues
> that you have with the help for new users.
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> Try not to take the
> categorisation of CatCleanup personally, all new pages are added to
> CatCleanup by members of the WikiTeam to mark them as needing more
> thorough review - like placing them in a queue.  Once reviewed
> thoroughly, the reviewer will remove the category, if deemed so, and
> add it to the appropriate page linked off UserDocumentation.  Putting
> the review steps and the guidelines for not having CatCleanup will be
> improved and put in writing in the near future - have some patience..
Let's both have some patience eh? Stop reverting my pages.

> Please take the time to note all of your frustrations and suggestions
> into a text document to raise with either myself or the documentation
> team.  I will be more open to your suggestions as improving the Wiki
> is a current focus of mine, not of the greater documentation team who
> are concentrated on the development of documentation for the release
> of Dapper.
> 
> If you feel the need to talk to somebody about your issues straight
> away so you can continue with your work, let me know a time that will
> suit you.  I will be available tomorrow for a few hours after
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=3&day=23&year=2006&hour=10&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
I'll go soft on editing for a while I think, really it's so irritating
after thinking things through that someone else just says 'it was better
before - I know better, reverted.'

Duncan
PS. I do not like direct emails about list topic, please keep discussion
on the list.