[ubuntu-studio-devel] i386 architecture will be dropped starting with eoan (Ubuntu 19.10)

Fri Jun 28 11:23:29 UTC 2019

Hi, Ubuntu 18.04 is supported until 2028, so there will still be this
option until 2028 for i386
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Le ven. 28 juin 2019 à 13:07, <lukefromdc at hushmail.com> a écrit :

> That may be practical in the US and Europe, but far less practical for
> say, an activist media maker in a Rio favela opposing Bolsonaro's efforts
> to "cleanse" the city of the poor. S/he might be limited to the hardware on
> hand, and an upgrade requirement will be translated into a change distro or
> don't update software requirement. Not everyone has even a single penny to
> spend on replacing equipment that may still function as it did when new.
> Just because fat-pig ad supported websites full of tracking and
> fingerprinting scripts have moved on doesn't mean everyone has to.
>
> On 6/27/2019 at 10:44 PM, "Kris Komar" <kriskomar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It’s time to move on. Having 1GB of RAM is no longer acceptable in
> computing today. We need to move forward. You could have argued that point
> in 2010 to some success but it’s 2019. 2019! They will need to upgrade.
>
> On Jun 21, 2019, at 9:33 AM, Luigino Bracci <lbracci at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I also disagree with this decision. In my country, there is A LOT of
> hardware (minilaptops, old computers) with just 1 GB of RAM; those
> computers have 64-bit CPUs, but we recommend installing 32-bit distros on
> them, because the performance of a 64-bit distribution in 1 GB of RAM is
> disappointing; it's too slow because applications compiled for 64-bit eat
> more memory. Most people just can't pay the RAM upgrade to 2 GB or 4 GB
> (that upgrade costs one month of sallary in many countries).
>
> GNU/Linux is the natural option in developing countries. The government of
> my country gave 2,6 millions of minilaptops to children in the last 8
> years, all with 1 GB of RAM and a Debian-based 32-bit Linux distro.
>
> I apologize for the rudeness of what I'm going to say, but stop creating
> 32-bit distributions is a decision that seems taken by people living in
> New York, having computers with 16 GB of RAM and 1 TB SSDs, and believing
> that the rest of the world lives like them.
>
> Regards.
>
> El vie., 21 de jun. de 2019 a la(s) 10:53, Erich Eickmeyer (
> erich at ericheickmeyer.com) escribió:
>
>> Hello Steve,
>>
>> >Last year, the Ubuntu developer community considered the question of
>> whether
>> >to continue carrying forward the i386 architecture in the Ubuntu
>> archive for
>> >future releases.[1]  The discussion at the time was inconclusive, but in
>> >light of the strong possibility that we might not include i386 as a
>> release
>> >architecture in 20.04 LTS, we took the proactive step to disable upgrades
>> >from 18.04 to 18.10 for i386 systems[2], to avoid accidentally stranding
>> >users on an interim release with 9 months of support instead of letting
>> them
>> >continue to run Ubuntu 18.04 LTS with its 5 years of standard support.
>> >
>> >In February of this year, I also posted to communicate the timeline in
>> which
>> >we would take a final decision about i386 support in 20.04 LTS[3],
>> namely,
>> >that we would decide in the middle of 2019.
>> >
>> >The middle of 2019 has now arrived.   The Ubuntu engineering team has
>> >reviewed the facts before us and concluded that we should not continue to
>> >carry i386 forward as an architecture.   Consequently, i386 will not be
>> >included as an architecture for the 19.10 release, and we will shortly
>> begin
>> >the process of disabling it for the eoan series across Ubuntu
>> >infrastructure.
>> >
>> >While this means we will not provide 32-bit builds of new upstream
>> versions
>> >of libraries, there are a number of ways that 32-bit applications can
>> >continue to be made available to users of later Ubuntu releases, as
>> detailed
>> >in [4].   We will be working to polish the 32-bit support story over the
>> >course of the 19.10 development cycle.  To follow the evolution of this
>> >support, you can participate in the discourse thread at [5].
>> >
>> >[1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2018-May/040310.html
>> >[2]
>> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/1:18.10.10
>> >[3]
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2019-February/040598.html
>> >[4] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2018-May/040348.html
>> >[5]
>>
>> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/i386-architecture-will-be-dropped-starting-with-eoan-ubuntu-19-10/11263/2
>>
>> It took me a while to reach this decision, but I believe my response is
>> in order.
>>
>> I really wish the flavor leads had been consulted prior to this decision
>> being made. You yourself even sponsored a package back in March that is
>> directly affected by this decision.
>>
>> One of the biggest features of Carla being in the repositories is that
>> it allows a WINE Bridge for Windows-based VST plugins, the vast majority
>> of which are STILL compiled in 32-bit. Without 32-bit support, this
>> feature is dead. This makes converting to Ubuntu Studio from Windows
>> especially hard on those who rely on Windows VST plugins, the vast
>> majority for which there is no Linux alternative. If this WINE bridge
>> disappears due to this decision, so does a large part of our user base.
>> We're talking a huge chunk of professional recording studios and artists
>> that would rather not be running Windows.
>>
>> I understand this decision has been made, but with my Ubuntu Studio
>> Project Leader hat on, I can say that this is an extreme disservice to
>> our user base and community. If it's possible to reconsider this
>> decision at this point, I urge you to do so.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Erich Eickmeyer
>> ----
>> Erich Eickmeyer
>> Project Leader
>> Ubuntu Studio
>>
>> ubuntustudio.org
>>
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