non-Unity flavours and Mir

Scott Kitterman ubuntu at
Tue Jun 18 10:54:32 UTC 2013

Oliver Grawert <ogra at> wrote:

>On Di, 2013-06-18 at 06:08 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 09:00:26 AM Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
>> > On 18 June 2013 07:33, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at>
>> > >  - What's the time line?  When , if we follow along with Ubuntu,
>would we
>> > > 
>> > > expect to run with XMir instead of X and when would we expect to
>> > > with MIR natively?
>> > 
>> > Based solely on comments from this thread, as far as I understand,
>> > Ubuntu and KDE will maintain the ability to work with X for the
>> > timeframe, so this more of a question on which happens first -
>> > stopping support for X based desktop environments (unlikely to be
>> > soon, given the popularity of XFCE and friends) or KWin dropping X
>> > in favour of Wayland-only solution (also unlikely to be quite soon
>> > how many distros are not shipping Wayland by default yet).
>> > 
>> > There might theoretically be new features that work on Mir (or
>> > but not on X, but those are likely to be minor and more related to
>> > and/or user switching rather than actual work.
>> We covered this already.  That's true, but it's also rather more
>likely that 
>> at some point the X stack will atrophy to the point that it will be
>buggy and 
>> not so reliable (I know that the several engineers Canonical have had
>> on X related issues are doing actual stuff, so it's safe to assume
>that if they 
>> are focused elsewhere, it will have an actual effect) and so
>eventually, the 
>> fact that X still exists in Ubuntu is unlikely to be a sufficient
>> As I've said before, I have no idea how long eventually is.
>pretty sure as long as there are X apps being shipped in Ubuntu you
>see full support for XMir (i would assume "eventually" is several years
>from now) ...

I'm sure it's not less than several. Our concern is about the long run. It'll be interesting to see if XMir will actually be as transparent ad planned. 

Scott K

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