non-Unity flavours and Mir

Scott Kitterman ubuntu at
Tue Jun 18 10:13:57 UTC 2013

On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:40:34 AM Oliver Grawert wrote:
> hi,
> On Di, 2013-06-18 at 01:34 +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
> > 2013/6/18 Jono Bacon <jono at>:
> > > I fully understand if you don't want to work on this problem, and I also
> > > fully understand if the KWin maintainer is uninterested in solving this
> > > problem and would prefer to focus on Wayland, but we are doing our best
> > > to
> > > be as open and collaborative as possible here, given the original points
> > > raised in Jonathan's email.
> > > 
> > > I see this as a trade-off.
> > 
> > Fair point. But you can not expect KDE or GNOME to suddenly jump on
> > the Mir train. Supporting a new display server is pretty damn hard, it
> > took a lot of time to
> > clean up all the code to abstract X dependencies and make the switch
> > to a non-X displayserver possible. But after that is done, maintaining
> > a new display server backend is still not easy.
> it is funny that everyone seems to assume here that anyone expects
> upstream to do the work. all that happened in this thread was an offer
> for conversation with upstream to define the requirements, nothing
> more ...
> weather an Ubuntu community person or team or an external team (imagine
> mint would want to ship with a Mir enabled KDE as an interesting
> experiment or some such) might ever want to write any code is not
> relevant for what was discussed in the thread. all there was, was an
> offer/request for communication to have the Mir upstreams get an idea
> about the requirements which could then be put on a Wiki page so
> potential porters would have something to work along...
> i find it a pretty poor picture that a desktop flavour team is not even
> willing to answer/ask questions and invest the 15-30 min such a call
> might take ...
> all i see in this thread is canonical giving offers and complete refusal
> from the other side with pointers to some totally unfounded claims about
> potential bugs unity might have caused in mesa in the past ...
> as a member of this community that goes into his 9th year with Ubuntu
> and who who knows most of the participants in person, i must say I'm
> extremely shocked and disappointed by the attitude coming from the
> community people i used to admire so much and that i usually know as
> pretty rational people ...

Generally when I find myself at odds with a number of people who I generally 
consider pretty rationale people it causes me to go back and reconsider if 
maybe I've missed something in formulating my perspective on an issue.

Scott K

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