non-Unity flavours and Mir

Jono Bacon jono at
Fri Jun 14 17:31:02 UTC 2013

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at>wrote:

> On Friday, June 14, 2013 11:09:25 AM Oliver Ries wrote:
> > in addition to that I just want to highlight, that Jono and I are working
> > on creating a forum for all interested Mir stakeholders (e.g. flavors,
> but
> > also ISVs and others) to discuss such issues and drive alignment.
> >
> > We hope to have an update on that next week.
> OK.
> See this is part of the problem.  I don't WANT to be a Mir stakeholder.  I
> want to focus my Kubuntu work on packaging KDE and making it work well.
> Historically, one of the great things about Kubuntu has been that we could
> rely on the work of the X team to give us a great display system with up to
> date hardware support that we didn't have to worry about.
We appreciate this, Scott, but we know that there are people from various
organizations and communities that *do* want involvement in how Mir affects
their software, and how to express and work together around needs in Mir.
We want to be as open and transparent as we can in how we define
requirements and build Mir, hence the planned meetings and the regular
weekly reports and open discussion on #ubuntu-mir and the mailing list.

As Rick said, it would be a failing of the Mir project if it meant that
flavors could no longer utilize Ubuntu as a foundation, but this is going
to require us to collaborate to find good solutions. From what I can see
here, Jonathan expressed a concern surrounding the impact of Mir on
flavors, a good discussion has resulted in how to move forward on this
issue, with Thomas offering support to discuss a Mir solution for KWin,
that the KWin/KDE community can collaborate with the Mir team around. Given
everyone's resource constraints, this seems like a pretty great outcome
from this discussion.

To be clear: no-one wants any of our flavors to leave the Ubuntu community.
I think it would be bad for Ubuntu (flavors are an essential part of our
community and help us to create a better foundation) and it would be bad
for flavors (I think Ubuntu brings a lot of value to flavors in terms of
software, infrastructure, and support).



Jono Bacon
Ubuntu Community Manager /
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