Intending to upload Libav 9 to raring

[Dmitrijs Ledkovs]

On 7 November 2012 10:50, Anca Emanuel <anca.emanuel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs
> <dmitrij.ledkov at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 6 November 2012 18:57, Anca Emanuel <anca.emanuel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I think you will need to CC this on all upstream maintainers.
>> >
>>
>> No, don't spam people. Transitions is a distribution problem, not
>> Debian's not Upstreams.
>
> When you work with "old" stable software, that is ok.

Out of 100 packages listed in the libav transition, only 11 have
-0ubuntuX version number. Indicating that vast majority are stable
releases from debian.
Those that have -0ubuntuX only one is ~rc3 candidate tarball and the
rest indicate that it's release version numbers.
In ubuntu we work with upstreams to drive daily builds and increase
test-suite coverage, but the actual software in the archive are
released tarballs, not daily git snapshot tips. (this is the common
case, naturally there are exceptions).

> But if you work directly with upstream software you will need to inform
> them.

Sure, but please don't assume all upstream developers are active
contributors to package maintenance in a distribution.

>>
>> Please note, transitions in Ubuntu are simply done collaboratively, we
>> don't do "package lists per maintainer" as it is done in Debian.
>
> Sorry ? Did you hear about cloud ? git ? Testing every git commit ?

Sure. But none of this actually happens in the raring-release archive,
instead it happens outside of the release archive.
Our goal is to have development release stable and installable at all
points during development.
That means that all unit-testing should happen _before_ landing into
the archive, not after.
Also see autopkgtest and the goals to run it before packages land in
raring-release pocket.

Regards,

Dmitrijs.

>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dmitrijs.
>>
>> ps. If there are patches written to fix bugs against new library
>> abi/api do forward those upstream/debian _as appropriate_. But that is
>> always the case regardless if it originated from a transition, or not.
>>
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Reinhard Tartler <siretart at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs
>> >> <dmitrij.ledkov at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>> >> > Please upload into PPA, upload rdepends and wait for them to rebuild.
>> >> > Find problems together with other interested people.
>> >>
>> >> Look, ma:
>> >> https://launchpad.net/~motumedia/+archive/libav9-raring/+packages
>> >>
>> >> TODO list of affected packages is here:
>> >> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/libav.html
>> >>
>> >> Help is more than welcome, espcially with filing bugs and creating
>> >> patches. Anyone interested in helping out, please mail me so that I
>> >> can add you to ~motumedia for upload access, until that happens,
>> >> please upload to your own PPA and we can then copy your fixed packages
>> >> over.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> regards,
>> >>     Reinhard
>> >>
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