Releasing Alphas and Betas without "freezing"

Stéphane Graber stgraber at
Thu Jun 21 19:00:30 UTC 2012

On 06/21/2012 02:34 PM, Robbie Williamson wrote:
> So we've clearly heard the opinion of Kubuntu...are there any other
> derivatives who wish to contribute to this discussion.  I for one, would
> be interested in knowing/hearing how these suggested changes impact them.
> -Robbie

Starting with just a bit of nitpicking but it's something we agreed at
UDS that we'd try to get fixed in everyone's mind :)
We're "flavours" not "derivatives", "flavours" are fully integrated in
the Ubuntu project and have been recognized as such by the various
governance boards. I usually consider "derivatives" as referring to our
downstreams like mint where they're indeed a derived product.

Now, speaking for Edubuntu, we don't feel like we could increase our
testing frequency as we'll be increasing the number of platforms that
we'll be supporting this cycle, don't have a lot of testers and
generally don't feel the need for it.

In the past we were only supporting a desktop installation on i386 and
amd64. This cycle we're extending the desktop support to i386, amd64 and
On top of that, we'll be introducing Edubuntu Server this cycle, that'll
still be installed from our single media but will add a good dozen of
extra services to test.

The upstreams Edubuntu is working with are perfectly aware of our
milestones and freeze periods and make sure their releases land on time
so we have to ask for very little freeze exceptions or last minute
upload (I don't think we asked for much more than 2 FFe last cycle).

Changing the way we work after we agreed on the release schedule for
this release would confuse our contributors and upstreams with no clear
benefit for us.

There are plenty of really good changes to the archive that are planned
for this cycle as part of the archive reorg and increasing the use of
-proposed, still with my Edubuntu release team hat on I don't think
piling up changes is a good idea.
I'd rather we do what we agreed on at UDS, try to encourage additional
daily testing (because that never hurts, doesn't cost any development
time and is beneficial) and discuss the next steps at the next UDS when
we have concrete feedback on how these changes went.

Stéphane Graber
Ubuntu developer

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