systemd for 11.10 ?

Patrick Goetz pgoetz at
Sun May 8 20:39:37 UTC 2011

> From: Oliver Grawert <ogra at>
> Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 01:03:26 +0200
> Am Samstag, den 30.04.2011, 18:24 +0200 schrieb Thomas Bechtold:
>> >  i just want to know if there are any plans to replace upstart[1] with
>> >  systemd[2] for 11.10?
>> >

As an Ubuntu systems administrator, I want to make it clear that I 
disagree with the comments expressed in this blog article at all.  In 

   "But seriously (with all joking aside), I don’t want to go through a
    rushed change again, which is why I support staying on upstart for
    both 11.10 and 12.04 LTS, and then taking a serious look at the
    merits and drawbacks of moving to systemd going into the
    12.10 cycle."

Woh, slow down there, partner.  If Ubuntu is going to switch from 
upstart to systemd, then the sooner the better.  There is nothing worse 
than investing time and energy learning about and working the kinks out 
of the deployment of a technology that you know is simply going to 
disappear in 1.5 years.  Linux sys admins are already tasked with 
dealing with frequent technology upheavals, let's not make this worse by 
adding a sense of futility to the process.

Further, if everyone else is using systemd, then in the absence of any 
*compelling* technical argument, Ubuntu should switch to systemd as 
well.  Again, linux sys admins are already drowning trying to keep up: 
"devfs is the greatest thing ever!  No -- scratch that, udev is the 
greatest thing ever!  Gconf is the bomb!  No, dconf is where it's at. 
Wait, scratch that; dconf doesn't work over NFS!  No, wait; who cares? 
dconf rulez!"  In my opinion, at least the illusion of greater long term 
stability massively trumps the short term gains of stasis, not to 
mention the ability to leverage some technology knowledge from one 
distro to the next.  Very few, after all, enjoy the luxury of having to 
deal with only one distribution.

Patrick Goetz

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