Bradley Kuhn on switching back from Ubuntu to Debian

Ted Smith teddks at
Sat Jan 16 21:09:58 GMT 2010

On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 08:22 -0500, Marc Deslauriers wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 22:13 -0800, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote:
> > On 2010-01-16 at 18:38:05 +1300, Dustin Kirkland wrote:
> > > Ubuntu One is no different to me, than using Yahoo Search, Gmail, or
> > > Facebook.  The client I use to access these service (firefox or
> > 
> > And when was the last time Yahoo Search, Gmail, or Facebook popped up
> > an icon in your 'systray'?  When were they last integrated into
> > the Nautilus right-click menu?
> Well, it may not be in the notification area (which I guess is what
> you're calling the 'systray'), but how about the following, which are
> installed by default:
> - GNOME clock and the weather applet, which is by default get their
> weather data from services for which the source code may not be
> available
> - Invest applet gets stock information from Yahoo, for which the source
> may not be available
The issue isn't communicating with servers running non-free software.
The issue is non-free network services. These are services which the
user makes a significant time and data investment in, making the service
much more than a source of information.

Google's search engine is not a network service by default, it's just a
web site. Once you log into your google account and configure your
search results, it is.

Reading someone's finger isn't a network service. You're just
downloading data. Signing into your twitter account and following that
person is.

> How about all the search providers which come pre-configured in firefox?
Are they websites, or services?
> How about totem that has YouTube and BBC integration?
This is certainly sub-optimal, and one of the reasons I'm dissatisfied
with Ubuntu. If YouTube was right below or tinyogg or other
free network service video sharing sites, I'd be much less dissatisfied
as a freedom-seeking user.

> And of course, F-Spot, which can upload pictures to Flickr, Picasaweb...
This is also sub-optimal, but not something I personally care about,
because I don't use F-Spot, and recommend not using it. Were it another
program, I would certainly hope that there would be free alternatives.

This is the wrong place to request these features. As of now, I don't
expect Canonical to have any interest in promoting free network services
in Ubuntu's default software. That's something I would expect more from
gNewSense or Trisquel. If they implement these freedom features, I would
expect Ubuntu to integrate them, though.

Also, I'm unsure as to whether Canonical is the entity implementing this
integration, or if it's just upstream. The main reason I posted that note was that I have increasingly seen Canonical integrate
Ubuntu with non-free software or network services, like Ubuntu One, and
recently the poll in the forums asking which non-free programs would be
appreciated in the Software Store^WCenter. These actions are deeply
disturbing, because I've used Ubuntu for years and loved it dearly, and
would hate leaving it.
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